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Thread: Cost and Productivity of producing .224 bullets at lowest cost

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    OK..... I can hear you say again.... "WHAT, YOU DON'T ANNEAL THE 22LR JACKET IN THIS PROCESS!"

    Nope! The 22lr when used as a jacket is, as far as I know, the thinnest jacket out there on a 22 cal bullet, so it doesn't require a lot of pressure to form into a bullet. What the annealing and softening the jacket dose do is allow use to form the 55 grain bullets without the nose of the bullet folding over on it's self. You see, the top of the jacket above the lighter 45 grain seated lead core is unsupported initially in the point forming step and if it is not annealed it will fold. BUT!!!!! when we seat a 58 grain lead core it nearly fills the entire jacket supporting it all the way to the tip. The jacket cannot fold in on it's self because the heavier lead core is preventing it. You do wind up with a lead tipped SP with a weight of 69 grains but who cares!! We made them quickly and results where perfect and they shoot very well for me.

    For those of you that have seen what a 55 grain bullet made from this jacket will do to a sage rat at 3000fps.......... you should see what a lsoft lead tipped 69 grain bullet at the same FPS will do to them in this thin jacket. It is even better!

    I posted all this info with pics a few years ago. I'll see if I can find it here and post a link.....

    So..... Can one make enough bullets to recover the initial investment of the equipment, most definitely! Can one make bullets quickly and cheaply....... maybe..... refer back to previous saying in last post regarding fast vs cheap. Can one ever recover the hours of labor it takes to make your own vs. the money spent to buy commercial..... that depends on how much money you got vs. how much time you have and how expensive commercial bullets get. Can one turn a profit selling swaged bullets........Hum?????? depends on demand I guess. If current political factors continue on same course, one might be able to trade bullets for ...........!!!! We haven't even mentioned the bullets that are "really easy" to make yet expensive commercially. Priced a .500 cal 350 grain XTP bullet lately? $1 a piece! I can make them for the cost of a scrap 45 ACP case and a 255 grain 45 cal cast boolits! Or the 40 cal from 9mm, the 44 from 40s&w, and on and on and on

    As it has been said above, swaging can be a challenge, an investment, and can take a lot of time vs buying commercial bullets, but some of us enjoy the challenge and satisfaction. Some of us chose not to invest in another AR-15 or March scope to go with the rest of the gun in the safe (I bet anyone that has ever got sticker shock at the cost of a set of swage dies as a gun in the safe that costs more), and instead invest in a set of swage dies.

    Anyway..... let me see if I can find some pics and threads to back all this up

    I say good shooting and swage on!

    Anything is possible!

    Last edited by BT Sniper; 08-17-2022 at 02:34 AM.
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    Don't miss the video link at bottom of thread!

    Pic of the 69 grain bullet made from the process described above.......

    Got a target, maybe a pic here somewhere of these bullets with 5 shot group at or under 1/2MOA

    Small pile of 53 grain bullets from 22lr brass....

    Small pile of cores and mold......

    2 liter pop bottle full of derimed 22lr brass and what looks like a two or three gallon bag full. I figured about 3,000 jackets in the 2 liter bottle. Bottle is placed on top of die while you derim each case pases through die into bottle. When bottle is full replace cap to keep clean till ready to use. Simple!

    Some of my groups, I got a lot more pics on the computer and scattered throughout the forums here. These are just what I could quickly find of bullets made from 22lr brass...

    BTSimple dies 22 cal bullets

    BTSniper premium dies 22 cal bullets. This 5 shot group was shot with max load of H335 @3500FPS in 12 twist barrel. A proof of accuracy group and FPS testing. Wouldn't be a load I would shoot all day in ground squirrel field but accurate none the less!

    20 cal bullet group at 200 yrds!

    22lr bullet accuracy threads and pics....


    post #142 for pics of targets in the first postal shoot thread with bullets from rim jackets...


    post number 180 with pics of targets from 2nd postal shoot with bullets made from rimmed cases


    Video of 22 cal bullets vs. sage rats. 55 grains at 3300FPS

    Last edited by BT Sniper; 08-17-2022 at 02:39 AM.

  3. #23
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    Northern Michigan

    Thanks for your posts on this thread. Very informative.

    Making the 69 gr bullet becomes an attractive option as there are no "cheap" bullets in that weight range and it is an easier process. I am going to "put numbers to paper" later as I have to leave shortly for an appointment shortly.
    Don Verna

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    Boolit Bub
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    SW Washington
    I went out tonight and made a handful of bullets according to BT'S suggestions.
    Lot faster than I normally take, and the bullets looks good.

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