After reading the thread on Doug's T/C Hawken, I have to wonder whether the quality and/or the manufacturer of T/C rifle bbls. has changed since the mid-1970's. Here's why I ask: I've owned a .45cal. Cherokee and a Hawken with two .45cal. bbls. (1:48 twist, 28" long; 1:66, 32" long) and a Green Mtn. .50cal (1:66 twist, 32" long) and never had an accuracy problem with any of them. All would put 5 shots into 1" @ 50 yds. from a rest with either the original sights or a tang-mounted T/C "Vernier" sight. Also, none of the bbls. showed a preference for BP or Pyrodex (either P or RS), but they were sensitive to patch thickness. I.e., the .45cals. required a .015" patch + a .440" RB whereas the Green Mtn. .50cal. shot best with a .490 RB and a .018" patch. Moreover, the 1:48 twists shot T/C Maxi-Balls and Lee REAL's equally well and accurately, but the recoil was a bit stout, especially in the Cherokee. As some of you discovered, the T/C stock design leaves something to be desired: Not nearly enough drop for me and thus not easily fired offhand, which was the primary reason I sold them.