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Last edited by Hi-Speed; 08-08-2022 at 07:24 PM.
Thanks a bunch! This is useful data for those of us Dinosaurs still clinging to our 38's.
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…now I’m trying to duplicate the load with Accurate #5 using Speer and Handloader data.
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thanks for posting. I was shooting my 38s a lot until small PP disappeared..
Velocity checks Colt Detective Special 3-inch with 0.008" barrel-cylinder gap:
Winchester 158 LHP +P X38SPD
879 fps, 18 Sd, 43 ES
Winchester Ranger 130 JHP +P R38B
965 fps, 21Sd, 57 ES
Winchester 110- gr. JHP +P+Q4070 WCC86
1046 fps. 21Sd, 59 ES
Remington 158 LHP+P R38S12
906 fps, 14Sd, 40 ES
All of these expanded well in water jugs and penetrated through the third gallon water jug at ten yards, being caught in the 4th. All are good performing loads with "street cred."
Last edited by Outpost75; 07-24-2022 at 06:05 PM.
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That's +p load already? I have load with same weight cast bullet going 975fps with a little bit of titegroup. It shoots well and I thought it was a light load. Perhaps I should dial it back a little.
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Anyone know a powder and charge they have used with good results that duplicates the "FBI" loads? I'm very interested as I have a Target to Masterpiece and Ruger that will handle this stuff.
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Last edited by Outpost75; 07-24-2022 at 10:23 PM.
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The original "FBI +P load was Winchester. I still have some we used back in the mid 70's to early 80's in our M15 S&Ws. It runs 975 fps out of my 4" M15 and right at 1000 fps out of my 6" Ruger Security Six. The psi as measured on my Contender test barrel via an Oehler M43 PBL runs 17,900. I duplicate that load with a 30-1 cast 358156HP over 5.5 gr Unique in W-W cases with WSPs.
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I don't think that was me. I have not tested HS6 or WIN540 with 150/158 gr LSWCs replicating the "FBI" load. With Red Dot under a hard cast 158 commercial bullet 3.8 gr will be at the SAAMI MAP for +P but will not give the same velocity as factory "FBI" loads. While I have posted several results using other powders in the 38 SPL they have been for developing/testing 38/44 loads which are well into the +P+ and 357 Magnum psi range. A discussion here wouldn't be in accordance with the OP's topic.
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Larry: What alloy would you recommend for a carry load? GF
I'm not Larry, but 1 to 30 tin-lead from Roto Metals works very well in plain-based revolver loads to 1000 fps and in cowboy rifles like .44-40 to 1300 and expands wonderfully with excellent weight retention. With GC bullets will stand full .357 and .44 Magnum revolver velocity and fine to 1800 fps in a rifle. Success is lube dependent. I prefer a soft lube and use 50-50 olive oil and beeswax for subsonic, and Alox-beeswax for the full snort stuff.
Last edited by Outpost75; 07-25-2022 at 02:29 PM.
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That 5.5 grs Power Pistol load and a 158 gr LSWCHP bullet would be a good FBI duplicate load based on chronographing 5.6 grs Power Pistol/158 gr lead bullet; which obtained 949 fps from 4 5/8 inch Ruger BH. 5.5 grs would settle right in there…
Let me just say what I use for a 38 SPL +P "carry load". I've no qualms using it in a Charter Arms 4", my S&W M15 w/5" or my M19 S&W and Ruger Security Six 357 magnums. I also used it in a S&W M36 Chief's SPL back when I had one.
The 358156 cast of 30-1 alloy GC'd with Hornadys, sized at .358 and lubed with a soft NRA 50/50 lube.
Winchester cases
Winchester WSP primers
5.5 gr Alliant Unique
Bullets HP'ed to 3/16" deep with Forster HP tool then further opened to a wide mouth HP with a 1/8" counter sink bit.
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Ok for occasional use, but not as a steady diet in high volume training quantities. Velocity will be about 100 fps less in a 1-7/8" snub, depending upon barrel-cylinder gap. Likely more if gap exceeds 0.008", as S&W now considers up to 0.010 within specs, which was considered a Major category defect in my day.
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I use 4.5 gr WW231 under a 158 gr lead SWC in my J-frame S&W. It's pretty snappy to shoot but purpose is self defense - I don't plink with a hammerless snubby.
BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |