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    My family and I used to hunt deer, elk, moose, etc. We let more walk than we took...we don't like bad shots and wounded animals. I moved on to small game for a few years and went to duck and tree rat. Finally moved on to feral hog. Florida has a huge problem with feral Hogs tears up farmlands messes up place for cows and horses, they are plentiful in a good source of meat you can go out by swampy areas near Farms throw corn out in the morning and wait and then take as many as you want. I don't normally bait unless hunting near farms... Keep the hogs on a safe shooting lane. Farm owners always grateful. I have a farm myself and wild hog are a blight. Tear up land..fences..etc.

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    I see everyone keep talking about 1000yd shots but from talking to most long ranger hunter's ( thanks to everyone pming me) most long range guys aren't taking these 1000-1200 yd shot. They just don't and they think is silly people always run to that.
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    I believe you are right. "Long range" to most "hunters" is anything past 100 yards which seems closer to 1000 yards to most of them. For 'riflemen" "long range" most often means anything over 300 yards.
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    If you want to impress me as a hunter, tell me how close you got.
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    Soundguy; I used to hog hunt in Lake county Fl. just south of Leesburg. One of the things I miss about those low-land swamps.

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    I agree withe OP and Larry Gibson above, long range hunting is 300 yds and further out. I have taken several deer between 300-450 yds, all clean one shot kills. All of these were in fields I have hunted most of my life with the exception of a few. I know the yardage from memory and have hunted mainly with a gun I know the dope on like the back of my hand. I use the same load for deer and varmint hunting, and kill wood chucks and coyotes out of the same fields, all year long with relative ease, using a good solid rest, BDC reticles and a range finder, but I usually only use that for shots past 450yds. My longest shot is 510 yds on a buck who was quartered slightly away from me. I hit him behind the last rib on the left side, through the vitals, out the chest and blew the right front leg off. He made it a few yards and dropped. Shot him with a rifle I built in 1985 and have shot thousands of rounds thru. That makes for a deadly set up all the way around, the knowledge gained from years of use, and knowing the round and gun intimately. If you are not profecient with your rifle, you should not try long range shots. I feel that there are a growing number of young hunters, who are utilizing the optics and tech available to them today, to shorten the learning curve, and as such are deadly at at longer ranges. I also feel that there are a lot of hunters who feel like if they can keep their shots in a gallon jug at 100yds they are good to go, and if faced with a long range shot 300 yds and out, will either completely miss the animal, or wound it badly. I have worked with a number of young folks in the last few years, teaching them what it takes to make a accurate rifle, ammo, , and correct optics, and these folks in turn have taken others under their wings as well, and are passing on the knowledge needed to be succesful . Bottom line, each shooter has to know his limitations and stay within them.
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    my longest range deer is about 365ish+/- yards. i think it was 15-20yo. one shot, on the shoulder, lungs and top of the heart were destroyed and the shot goes out, i think, between the ribs. the doe was DRT. i, however, felt bad, like sick to my stomach bad. i was no longer hunting deer, i was a shooter.

    {i did 300-some yards shots(2 or 3 deer), 200-300 yards(about a dozen or so deer), 100-200 yards(about a dozen, maybe a little more deer) and under 100 yards(i can't count deer, but i know it is in the hundreds of deer).}

    the shot made me be a better hunter. 200 yards was my new goal to shoot a deer. then 10 or so years ago, i was introduced to cast boolits. i'll admit, i wasn't too keen on using cast boolits to hunt with. the first doe i ever shot with a cast boolit was a .311" 165gr ranch dog with h4198 going 1926fps in a sporterized 1898 springfield armory in 30-40 krag. she was 93 yards(laser range finder thingy) away and a little broadside. the shot went thru her shoulder, wrecked both lungs and heart and it went out thru 2 ribs. the doe was DRT. i have shot 7 or 8 deer with the krag and my oldest son has killed 5 or 6 deer and all of the deer were DRT. my son has furthest deer killed at 173 yards with the krag. i have shortest distance, about 20 some yards. the only other rifle that goes DRT, is my husqvarna m46 in 9.3x57(2 deer, 50 and 40 some yards). all the other rifles(35/30-30, 444, 45-70, 44 mag & special...) are NOT DRT, the deer go like 20-30 yards after the shot. every deer is shot behind shoulders or a "double lunger.'"

    i no longer use jacketed bullets, except the 34gr nitemare hp in 20 vartarg. the furthest i have shot deer with is 130+/- yards. 150 yards is the furthest i go out to. if the deer is 175 yards away, i'll let it go. i like to use cast boolits and their, or better, our limitations.
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    What I find unethical is hammering on a guy for posting a couple videos on something he found interesting.
    Personally, I don't hunt, so I think you are all a bunch of slobs. (Just sarcasm, I have no problem with hunting).
    We need to encourage young people like Wolfdog91 not jump down their throats.
    Sometimes I'm a jerk when I post something and regret it later, I even had a guy PM me and called me a "Dick", he was probably right at that instance in time.
    We need more Wolfdog 91s, please don't chase them away.

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    I now use one of those store bought pop-up blinds. For 40+ years I loved just slipping quietly and excruciatingly slow through the Ozark woods and catching a deer bedded or feeding along or just travelling. A cool, damp, foggy, drizzly day was great. I wish I still could. A bout with colon cancer and 6 months of chemo produced enough neuropathy in my feet that those days are over. Evidently, according to you, I should quit hunting? I hope you're never so unfortunate as some of us. If you are I guess you'll quit hunting, since you'll then be like us and make yourself sick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmacgyver0 View Post
    We need more Wolfdog 91s, please don't chase them away.
    I agree with this completely! Our hobby/sport/passion will wither and die if we fail to welcome new people.

    And give what he's posted here so far, I have nothing but respect and admiration for Wolfdog91! Clearly he's a good dude, and we are made better by having him amongst our ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by versa-06 View Post
    Soundguy; I used to hog hunt in Lake county Fl. just south of Leesburg. One of the things I miss about those low-land swamps.
    Eustis, Umatila or Altoona area? That's where I hunt too. South and or east of Leesburg.

    Lots of white sand, hammock and palms, low wet spots. Plenty of hog and bear. My last hunt..on the way out..found bear track on top of my track....

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmacgyver0 View Post
    What I find unethical is hammering on a guy for posting a couple videos on something he found interesting.
    Personally, I don't hunt, so I think you are all a bunch of slobs. (Just sarcasm, I have no problem with hunting).
    We need to encourage young people like Wolfdog91 not jump down their throats.
    Sometimes I'm a jerk when I post something and regret it later, I even had a guy PM me and called me a "Dick", he was probably right at that instance in time.
    We need more Wolfdog 91s, please don't chase them away.
    I wasn't hammering..i was asking if he was anti short range hunting. He seemed to be pretty happy about the long range person beating down the short range person. Was an honest question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundguy View Post
    I wasn't hammering..i was asking if he was anti short range hunting. He seemed to be pretty happy about the long range person beating down the short range person. Was an honest question.
    No problem whatsoever, I just want to encourage young gun enthusiasts, whether they hunt or just target shoot. Guys like him are the future, guys like me are the past. What I think is irrelevant, what he thinks is where gun ownership, the country as a whole is going.
    IMHO

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    Soundguy; PM sent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soundguy View Post
    I wasn't hammering..i was asking if he was anti short range hunting. He seemed to be pretty happy about the long range person beating down the short range person. Was an honest question.
    When a person posts on an open discussion forum the end result will be discussion. Name calling or belittling someone is hammering. Normal discussion or normal disagreements is not hammering. Normal discussions and even heated disagreements are part of learning and sharing information. Some of the best info comes out of heated disagreements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmacgyver0 View Post
    No problem whatsoever, I just want to encourage young gun enthusiasts, whether they hunt or just target shoot. Guys like him are the future, guys like me are the past. What I think is irrelevant, what he thinks is where gun ownership, the country as a whole is going.
    IMHO
    I agree 100%. That is why it's important to direct them to true subject matter expert's verse YouTube blowhards. Lots of good info on YouTube and unfortunately volumes and volumes of not so good information.

    Caveat Emptor defiantly applies to YouTube.
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    The OP has a habit of posting about controversial subjects and then feigning surprise when the discussion doesn't go smoothly. I've no idea if it's done intentionally but he does it on multiple forums and has done it multiple times here. It's an easily identified pattern.

    I don't have a problem with anyone posting on any subject provided it is allowed by the rules on whatever forum it's posted on but to post on controversial subjects then appear surprised when there is in fact controversy is boorish at best.
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    From what I see, The OP wanted to share something that he found constructive. Have you noticed how the ones with a well full of knowledge add to the topic & others want to tear down a learning curve. Back & forth discussion is good. Like the frapping a barrel against a tree or tire, I've never heard of this, but others have & enlightened it with more description. Bravo on the info!

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    Just my personal observation on “ long range “ shot taking;

    If you, one hundred percent feel that you can make an ethical kill shot, and have the confidence to do it, by all means, DO IT!! At extended ranges, I’m speaking of, there are so many variables that come into play, that very few shooters have the discipline and experience to pull those kind of shots off! Either from a lifetime of extended range shooting,or, military training of some kind in this discipline, it’s, in my opinion only, up to the trigger puller to determine the viability of success or failure!
    But, be prepared to do follow up on bad shots, and practice your tracking skills, as these disciplines need to be proficient also!
    Because, in the end, we are alll responsible for the cleanest, most ethical shot we can put on our intended game animal targets.
    I certainly have the skills, mindset, and ability to take those “ long range” shots, if I am positive I can pull it off. But, one shred of doubt, I’m letting the target walk till next time.
    Feel free to flame me if you think I’m in error on any of my statements.
    Be safe, good shooting, guys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannibal View Post
    The OP has a habit of posting about controversial subjects and then feigning surprise when the discussion doesn't go smoothly. I've no idea if it's done intentionally but he does it on multiple forums and has done it multiple times here. It's an easily identified pattern.

    I don't have a problem with anyone posting on any subject provided it is allowed by the rules on whatever forum it's posted on but to post on controversial subjects then appear surprised when there is in fact controversy is boorish at best.
    Feigning surprise ? Really ? Such as? How have I acted suprised ?
    Like I've said before I'm not very surprised anymore with the comments my posts get. If I wanted eveyone to just agree with me I wouldn't post on these forums. I like to share and I like to learn.
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