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    What scope?

    This has to have been asked before but, my dismal search skills turned up nothing.

    I have a Walther, Talon springer that is quite accurate. It has a rail and came with a *** scope that lasted less than 10 shots. I use it for vermin control and the occasional squirrel. Old story, aging eyes, and I'll submit to a scope on an air rifle. I am completely ignorant of what to even look for....or look at. All I know is springer air rifles are supposed to be terribly hard on scopes. Any and all suggestions appreciated.

    In the same vein, about the rifle, is there anything that can be done with the absolutely abysmal trigger? Good grief...it is horrible.
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    Pyramyd Air, https://www.pyramydair.com/ would be a good place to start. I have a .22 cal Ruger Gas piston rifle that I put a UTG Bugbuster scope on. So far the scope is holding up well. They do offer a lot of different air gun scopes in all different price ranges. One thing you may want to look for is a scope with an adjustable objective lens. That way you can have a good clear picture at closer range than most scopes are set to. That can make a big difference in being able to get a good zero and to help to get rid of the little critters that are causing you problems. As to your trigger issues, maybe someone else can help or maybe look around any of the airgun forums to see if anyone has any advice. It might be something as simple as replacing a spring. I did that on my Ruger and it helped a lot. Not a match grade trigger but very much improved.
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    Thanks cricket! That's an interesting site. I'll search some air rifle sites as well.
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    All Leupold scopes will work on any air rifle. I’ve called Leupold to ask and they said their scopes are built to withstand the stress that air guns put on them. That being said, my own air guns have scopes on them designed for precision long range shooting and a lot of bells and whistles. If I was just shooting pests in the back yard I’d probably look for a good used Leupold and go with that.

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    FYI Air guns recoil forward, not reward like regular guns. The crosshairs of a regular scope are not supported for that direction. Lots of high dollar scopes have been destroyed by air guns Plus the parralex and focus are geared to closer ranges GW

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    My Hatsan Model 95 gas piston rifle ate the crosshairs on two UTG Bugbuster 3x9 scopes after about 1000 shots each. Thank goodness for UTGs lifetime warrantee. I sold the second replacement and bought a Hawke Airmax 3x9-40mm. The Airmax has the crosshairs etched on glass and has gone through about 6000 shots so far and is holding up fine. The optic quality of the Hawke is way better than the Bugbusters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G W Wade View Post
    FYI Air guns recoil forward, not reward like regular guns. The crosshairs of a regular scope are not supported for that direction. Lots of high dollar scopes have been destroyed by air guns Plus the parralex and focus are geared to closer ranges GW
    Not true. Some air guns store a charge of compressed air and don’t recoil in reverse. I have a PCP air gun like that, and there are some that you pump up the air reservoir and work that way. Springer guns are reversed.

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    I also have a few UTG scopes on springers. One of them failed but like posted above, it was replaced free of charge. The 2 others are still going fine. They are fairly cheap price wise so may be a good option.

    Vortex also told me all their scopes will handle airguns. I have not yet gone that route but had contacted them when I was thinking of trying a different scope. They also make some fairly inexpensive lines of scope, may be worth a look.

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    Fairly inexpensive, a Sig Whiskey 3 Airgun scope came on my Sig Nitro airgun. So enamored I became with this scope, I purchased a second! If I were to purchase still another air rifle -- this would be my choice. Click image for larger version. 

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    +1 on the Hawke Airmax. My springer broke two airgun rated scopes, one in less than a tin of pellets. The Airmax scopes are great scopes

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    From the link cricket posted, I am looking at these two. I DO NOT like variables and of all the centerfire rifles I own only one wears a scope, a 3X, fixed Leupold. Sooo...may I ask for opinions or experiences with either of these?

    https://www.pyramydair.com/product/h...cle-1-4?a=5165

    https://www.pyramydair.com/product/u...8-rings?a=3015
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    Leupy; guaranteed for life, even on a air rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharps4590 View Post
    From the link cricket posted, I am looking at these two. I DO NOT like variables and of all the centerfire rifles I own only one wears a scope, a 3X, fixed Leupold. Sooo...may I ask for opinions or experiences with either of these?

    https://www.pyramydair.com/product/h...cle-1-4?a=5165

    https://www.pyramydair.com/product/u...8-rings?a=3015
    The UTG scope you linked is the one that I referenced above. I have 3 of them. For the money I have been happy with them. Like I said earlier, 1 had an issue but an email and a picture of the issue and they replaced the scope. I would purchase another. Hope that helps.

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    And it does, hawken. Speaking of Hawken, I'd use my 54 cal. Gun Works Hawken but, it seems a little overkill on a chipmunk.....
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    +1 for Hawke optics! After reading the following link, I picked up a Hawke with the etched glass reticle. No worries so far......

    https://www.airgundepot.com/vault/ar...he-rws-34-177/
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    ive got an older vortex viper that supposedly was designed for air rifles and crossbows so I was told the torque is different than on regular rifle, but it is a vortex viper and I wouldn't be afraid to put it on anything with the way vortex warranty works.

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    Of the two you linked, only the Hawke has the adjustable objective lens. That can help get a clearer image at the closer air gun ranges.
    Having said that the AO can be a nuisance if you trying to make a quick shot at something that is not at the distance you have the AO set.
    The Hawke you linked also is NOT one of the Airmax scopes. Not sure how it will hold up on a springer. I'd ask one the helpful guys at Pyramid
    if it'll handle a springer. I've found them pretty knowledgeable about their products. Was one of them recommended the Airmax. I've not regretted the advice

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    I had a UTG 1-4 scope that lasted thru 2000+ round on a Mini 14. I moved it to my R1 which killed it in 10 shots! The R1 has a 1-4 Leupold on it now and Leupold told me their scopes are designed to take Airgun Recoil. They will fix it if it doesn't, but after a thousand or so I think it's good to go.

    My HW77 has a Burris 4X Airgun Scope on it and it has lasted for 30 years. My original HW35EB had a cheap Weaver .22 Rimfire scope on it for many years, and it is still in one piece.

    I have a3-9X BugBuster taht I have put on several different guns adn it is still in one piece.

    It is a crap shoot with optics on Springers, but the good quality ones (greater than $150) will survive. Go to Pyramyd Air and look at what they sell.

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    I put a Tasco target varmint 2.5-10 mil dot on my Walther talon magnum nitro piston 22 cal a couple years ago. Bought the gun in 2010’ when nitro pistons first were introduced. I paid an additional $80 from pyramid air to have it installed. I still have the cheap scope it came with. It worked just fine but I wanted something better. I still have the scope on a 22lr and it works great. I installed the Tasco on my talon a couple years ago. It has never lost its zero. Thought it kept loosing zero when I first put it because of how hold sensitive it is. I have put a good 3000 pellets through my rifle now and it still has not lost zero! I drilled this snake at about 30 yards the other day with a jaw shot with the first try. It was coiled up and the pellet went through its tail that it’s chin was resting on. I’m using the exterminator pellets. They make one heck of pop when hitting squirrels and do a really good job of anchoring them on the spot vs any other pellet I’ve tried.



    I can focus that scope clear at 10’ on 10x! I bought it for $24.99 shipped on clearance on line 2 years ago. Bought a few extra and installed them on my 452 ultralux super exclusive and one on my Ruger American 22WMR. Wish I would have bought a few more!

    I also went to Ace hardware and bought some trigger replacement screws. They are approx 1/4” longer. With the replacement trigger adjustment screws I have it braking nice and light now. Around a pound, or less, if I remember. It’s a very easy fix imo. With the light trigger and and mil dots I can hit pop cans pretty consistent out to 125 yards. Haven’t tried any farther yet.

    I’m going to eventually get some grip type abrasive tape and put it on my stock to line my hand up for consistent hand placement one of these days. You can still find the Tasco varmint scopes on eBay for around $60/$80 once in a while. They are bright and crystal clear! I have older leupold vx2 and 3 optics that aren’t as bright and clear as this cheap scope.


    I sent an article to the OP with photos on someone else replacing the trigger screws. It’s a Hasten Quattro trigger.

    https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2016...-combo-part-6/

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    I put a Athlon Optics Talos 4-16x40 mil dot. It was recommended by Air Gun of Arizona. I put it on a Weirauch HW50.

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