Millennial math

[am44mag]

OK, what's better? I'm not talking math scores, I'm talking about an overall, well rounded education. Sure, Indian and Chinese kids might score better on math tests, but where do they want to live? Here. In the U.S. Screw the math scores.

You are confusing people's desire to live in a place with that place's ability to educate them. They are not dependent on each other. The US is a very prosperous nation with a strong sense of justice and freedom. That is what drives those people to come here. There are far more opportunities to succeed here than in most of the world, and people have the freedom to do so.

What about our education system makes you think it's the best, or even well rounded? It's rare for schools to even teach basic things like how to budget, or how to do your taxes. They certainly have no problem pounding things like how the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell into your head year after year though.

[Battis]

I'm still waiting to hear what country has a better educational system. Why do I think that our school system is the best? Because of the results. When people are dying to enter our country at all costs, we must be doing something right. I doubt that China or India has the same kind of border problems that we do. Millions of people don't sneak into those countries illegally, despite the great math scores.
Some kid can't make change at a store and suddenly the entire generation is painted as uneducated dopes, and the blame rests totally with the schools and the teachers.
Gun owners should know how wrong it is to disparage an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.

[sundog]

Not too long I was at the grocery store buying Friday donuts for the team and when asked by the cashier how many and I said four dozen. She had a confused look on her face so I told her again… She started using her fingers to try to count them before I finally realized she didn’t understand how to multiply, 4×12, or didn’t understand how many is in a dozen. I finally told her 48 after several tries as I could not comprehend someone not understanding that 4 dozen is 48.

Bless her little heart…

If it had been an old time bakery years ago, it you would have gotten 52. I guess few know what a 'bakers dozen' is any more.

[john.k]

People do sneak into China ,illegally.....from North Korea.....they are returned to torture and death,when found.

[AlexanderNickel]

I prepaid for some gas awhile back with a fifty , could only fit something like thirty five in the tank .
Went back in for my change and the dufas at the counter gave me back thirty five dollars .
I spent a good three or four minutes trying to explain that he gave me back to much money and only owed me fifteen .
He didn't want to hear it , I was wrong , he was right and that's all there was to it .
I went back in the store a few days later and the manager was working the register so I asked her what happened to the dimwit

Oh we fired him for stealing from the register . His drawer was short a few hundred bucks two or three days in a row .
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Then I explained what happened with me , He wasn't stealing just couldn't add and subtract

It's funny, I had a similar situation, only then the seller paid from his own pocket. I think he really wanted to stay in his job.

[1hole]

... Sure, Indian and Chinese kids might score better on math tests, but where do they want to live? Here. In the U.S. Screw the math scores.

I'm not sure what you mean, "Screw the math scores" but don't confuse foreign kids wanting to live where there are few restraints on youthful life as prima facie proof for any residual value to our present government-union controlled "education" system.

Fewer and fewer schools (and current text books) do traditional educating today and they're getting worse! K through university, American "public" schools are under increasing Democrat/progressive government sanctioned mind control and they are rapidly transitioning into socialist/Critical Race Theory indoctrination centers for limp minds, now!

Our new education system is indeed "Screwing the math system." The teaching powers that be say requiring accuracy in math is a devious tactic contrived by inferior whites to hold down superior blacks; the professionals claim to be "woke" now and they don't like it! (That's real guys, not pretend, and it's NOT the only stupid thing American educators are teaching our kids today!)

[Battis]

Show me a better overall system.

[Rapier]

Daughter is an assistant principal, said 72% of the students will not be passed, they will repeat, school board said, three weeks later they, the school board, decided to retest, after two weeks….why two weeks I ask….oh, to let them study, study what….ah, the test. The Pass Through Culture…..they can not read, write, do math or think……..But they can vote…..Scary Ain’t it.

[Handloader109]

If house price inflation really takes off over the next 10 or so years,then the house will be near enough free.

Not for any house trailers it won't. They depreciate

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[Battis]

I have ZERO use for most school boards and less than ZERO for teacher's unions. 90% of teachers are good but, as noted, school boards, usually made up of amateurs, are counterproductive. As I said, the remedy is attentive parents. Be involved, watch what's happening, make yourself and your views known. There's a large pushback going on against CRT, and that's good.

[ulav8r]

Maybe people want to come to the US because their superior math and economics education give them a greater advantage over the Public educated residents here.

[Handloader109]

As far as ranking, usnews reported us still the best when the respondents were asked where they wanted to attend, sure, free education.....
When a world organization ranked the countries, US isn't in the top 10 which is
Countries with the Best Educational Systems - 2020 Global Citizens for Human Rights

Denmark

Finland

Japan

Canada

Sweden

Germany

Israel

Netherlands

Singapore

South Korea

And we rank 38th in math and 24th in science. Yes, we have a good SYSTEM, one of the best, but the results put our students in a very poor position. Not nearly first.

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[Battis]

Wow, imagine a "world organization" ranking the USA lower in anything?
What "greater advantage over the Public educated residents here" are we talking about? Any examples?
Hey, if someone wants to take their kids to any of the above listed countries for an "education," go for it.

[Multra]

The US has some of the best universities in the world, but our public education is a retard factory.

[Battis]

Back that statement up, or at least explain it.

[john.k]

Parents are voters....you fail little Jimmy,I vote for the other side.........so pass little Jimmy,no worry of mine if he cant do the 3 Rs................if your business needs Jimmy to add up correctly,then you teach him!

[john.k]

AS I said before ,we used to employ young men in a well paid industry (refinery workers rates),and very few could do all3 Rs .....many couldnt tell the time ,or translate a clock to a timesheet......and unfortunately the ones who could were often university dropouts,who seem to be bitter and twisted ,and very prone to causing unrest in the workforce.

[Battis]

our public education is a retard factory.

By posting that ignorant statement, you just insulted everyone on this forum that did not go to a private school. And their kids, grandkids, family members, not to mention every special needs child and their families. Was it worth it? Am I the only one that will call this out?

[john.k]

Local high school is state run/public education,and I notice they have quietly introduced a high achievers stream for high IQ ,self disciplined kids completely isolated from the rest of the education stream thats near enough to "Blackboard Jungle"......These kids start 1/2 hr earlier than normal school hours,finish 1/2 hr later ,so the dont come into contact with the normal school population......This system allows schools to achieve lots of top mark /annual prize winners.

[dverna]

Battis, I am a dual citizen. Canadian schools used to turn out more highly educated people than what I saw in the US. Not sure about today. In my twenties, I knew more about world history and even US history than Americans. I thought many Americans were dumb, but I realized most had not been educated very well.

Anyone who thinks math scores do not matter is grasping at straws to justify a failed educational system. A country advances on science and engineering....not literature, art, or music.