Quick Load Data

[71/84Mauser]

I have been using this forum for over 15 years. I can usually get all the answers to My questions using the search button, however I am Coming up empty on my most recent endeavor…

I have a rifle in 11.2x60 Schüler. It’s a rebated rim version of the 11.15x60R, better known as the 11mm Mauser or 43 Mauser. I am looking for load data for this higher pressure round and can only find low pressure data for the BPCR rimmed version. I am looking for about level 2 lever action 45/70 pressure loads.

Does anyone have Quick Load that can help me out?

If so what info would you need from me to plug in to your computer?

.446” grove, 1:14 twist.
Looking to shoot some of the Lyman 44-370-FN powder coated, as well as 300gr to 400gr “J word” boolits that will stabilize.

Thank you very much for your help!

[earlmck]

Looks like QL has your cartridge listed as 11.2X60 Mauser/Schueler. If I had bullet weight and length and cartridge COAL and powder to use I could get you something to play around with...

[71/84Mauser]

Earlmck,

That would be great thank you very much!

Bullet weight - Lengths - COL :
400gr lead - 1.040” - COL 2.975”
400gr J Word - 1.005” - COL 2.875”
300gr J Word - .820 - COL 2.765”

Powders:
3031 - 20#
H414 - 7#
IMR 7977 - 8#
4064 - 22#
IMR 4895 - 10#
2400 - 9#
WC872 - 40#

[P Flados]

I went looking and found "level 2 lever action 45/70 pressure" to be 28000 psi (Paco Kelly) or 40000 cup (several places, but useless info given there is no conversion to psi)

The default allowed pressure in Quickload for the 11.2 x 60 Mauser/Schueler is higher than the above.

You did not give barrel length, I guessed 24".

Cartridge          : 11.2 x 60 Mauser/Schueler
Bullet             : 405 Cast
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.975 inch = 75.57 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Matching Maximum Pressure: 28000 psi or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
IMR 3031                            88.0     54.7     3.54    1913    98.0    28000    4817   1.693
IMR 4895                            87.2     58.0     3.76    1891    91.0    28000    4925   1.709
Hodgdon H414                        92.9     65.3     4.23    1867    82.7    28000    4947   1.709
IMR 4064                            89.3     56.0     3.63    1835    89.9    28000    4479   1.722
IMR 7977 Enduron *C*T              107.0     70.3     4.56    1698    65.2    28000    3799   1.772
Alliant 2400                        49.6     31.3     2.03    1664   100.0    28000    2809   1.792
Hodgdon H870                       112.0     76.9     4.98    1454    50.2    17821    3483   2.176


Now if you want to load to pressures based on the Quickload allowed pressures for the 11.2 x 60 Mauser/Schueler, 
I ran a table set for 35000 psi.

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
IMR 3031                            94.7     58.8     3.81    2050    99.6    35000    5071   1.537  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                            93.6     62.2     4.03    2034    94.4    35000    5330   1.551  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        99.3     69.8     4.52    2017    87.2    35000    5423   1.546  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                            96.1     60.3     3.91    1974    93.4    35000    4867   1.564  ! Near Maximum !

[P Flados]

I could not find a correct diameter 300 gr, so I grabbed something close and ran it at the higher pressure.

I could make more runs, but would prefer you to narrow down the scope and/or improve the inputs a little.

Cartridge          : 11.2 x 60 Mauser/Schueler
Bullet             : .452, 300, Hornady XTP MAG 45235
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.765 inch = 70.23 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Maximum Pressure: 35000 psi, or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
IMR 3031                           101.6     63.6     4.12    2340    96.6    35000    5220   1.349  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                           100.4     67.2     4.35    2305    88.8    35000    5239   1.364  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       105.2     74.5     4.83    2241    79.4    35000    5064   1.377  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                           102.7     64.9     4.20    2235    87.6    35000    4757   1.377  ! Near Maximum !

[71/84Mauser]

That’s great! I need to get the disc one of these days and be able to do all of this cool stuff. Thank you very much for the help. That’s why I love this forum, everyone I have come in contact with has been nothing but willing to help.

35k psi is just fine with me the K98 action will be able to more than handle that.

[71/84Mauser]

Sorry about not mentioning the barrel length. You had a Pretty good guess. The barrel is 26”, close enough for me.

[71/84Mauser]

I am Not sure how the software works, just let me know info you need from me.

[71/84Mauser]

I do have another request…. can you run the 405gr Cast with 50 BMG powder such as Hodgdon H870 or Accurate Arms AA8700 please?

[P Flados]

I did run H870, look at the last row in the lower pressure 405 gr cast boolit table.

It only got to 17800 psi with 112% fill, so no point in running any other combinations with this powder.

Basically this means to stuff as much as you can in the case, and expect poor burning (very dirty). If you want to use milsurp and get better results, then get a faster milsurp or play with duplexing. The duplexing goal would typically be to add just enough faster powder to get it to burn clean enough for your liking.

[Texas by God]

Is this a commercial Orbendorf 98 Mauser sporter or a custom built on a 98 action? Regardless- we'd like to see pics of gun and cartridge, please.

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[71/84Mauser]

Thank you I did try some duplex loads today.


WC872 66gr + 3gr Kicker of WWII German 8mm powder I have laying around. Got avg bel of 1,536fps for 11 shot string.

Maybe 5 unburied kernels at the end of the 11 shots. Otherwise it shot clean to me.

I did run H870, look at the last row in the lower pressure 405 gr cast boolit table.

It only got to 17800 psi with 112% fill, so no point in running any other combinations with this powder.

Basically this means to stuff as much as you can in the case, and expect poor burning (very dirty). If you want to use milsurp and get better results, then get a faster milsurp or play with duplexing. The duplexing goal would typically be to add just enough faster powder to get it to burn clean enough for your liking.

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This rifle was pieced together and this round was resurrected from the history books.

I have long been obsessed with the 43 Mauser (11.15x60R) and the 1871 as well as the 71/84 rifles. I stumbled upon the 11.2x60 Schüler by happen chance. Noticed it was very similar dimensionally to the 43 Mauser. The Schüler being a .401”. I found a 44-77 barrel, .446” grove, 1:17 twist. Which worked out great now I can use my Lee 43 Mauser dies for all the brass.

I had some magnum brass cut down with a lathe to match the rim of a 8x57 case, custom brass also made by RCC, reamer and gauges custom designed with the help of Dave at Pacific Tool & Gauge.

The receiver is a Commercial Mauser receiver I had laying around from years ago, figured this would be a great time to use it.

The mounts are BOROM 30mm QD mounts.

Timber trigger

PT&G 3 position safety

US Stock

All the machine and gunsmithing work done by Mike Cramer in Texas. I can complement the man enough he does EXCELLENT work.

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