It is all about WANT and NEED. Do you really NEED that new truck or just want one? I'd hazard to guess 90% of new car buyers just want one, and don't really need one. I have purchased a few new vehicles over the years, but I don't ever expect to again. Way cheaper even now to buy a used vehicle. And I can't imagine a 80k truck.
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I NEED a 4x4 pickup period. My current truck is at the end of its useful life. I would like to purchase used. The problem is in my area used 10-year-old 4x4's with 200,000 miles on it are selling for 35K or more. New ones are sometimes available for 10k to 15K more so currently in my area new is a better option for my needs. Two years ago that was not true.
My current truck was purchased with 89K on it for $10,000. It was sideswiped a couple of years ago. I received $6,000 insurance and opted live with the body damage. So for $4,000 I got 176,000 with just normal tire and brake maintenance. I would pay $20,000 for an 8-year-old truck with 90K in a heartbeat. 35K for a 10-year-old truck with 200K not a snows chance in Hades.
Let's go Brandon.
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Service, what's service? I've had my little 4x4 Tacoma for 21 years, and it's been into a shop for work exactly zero times. I've never had anything go wrong with it in 21 years and 150,000 miles that I couldn't fix myself. Dang, I probably just jinxed myself...And no dealer within 100 miles to service it...
That said, if I'd just spent more on a new truck than my house cost, I'd probably take it to a dealership.
m tecs is exactly right, closest I came to replacing my previous truck which was totaled, 6 yr old full size 4x4 work truck, gas engine, with 90k miles $40,000, guess what, when the chip crunch is over and things go back to normal it would not be worth very much. and I suspect people financing used vehicles now are going to way upside down when things go back to normal they will have vehicles with lots of miles on them that they owe a ton of money on and the vehicles will be worth very little. I dont drive all that much. if I spend $50k on new 2022 which is just a few grand more than what insurance sent me, it will retain value much better and the probably of getting stuck on side of road very low compared to the 20 year old f150 that's currently getting me around. and it will probably last me the rest of my life. if I lived in the city or near to a city , where tow trucks and other transportation is easy to get I might be thinking different.
Yeah, but the Escape is a below average reliable vehicle...Originally Posted by MaryB
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars...17/reliability
"We expect the 2022 Escape will be less reliable than the average new car. This prediction is based on data from 2020 and 2021 models. Select the used car model year to see reported issues with those similar past models."
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heck ill buy a chev or ram because thats what i want. if the dealership with 300 miles away id drive it. Dont need a sport utility with a box on it. not even one made in america and surely not one made overseas.
Im glad I bought a newer truck at the end of 2020 with all this craziness going on right now. I had been driving a rusted out 1995 Suburban K2500 for the last 10yrs and had definitely gotten my money out of it. Paid $1200 for it when I bought it, replaced fuel and brake lines, rebuilt the trans, did some suspension work, a little electrical work, and put tires on it. Doing the work myself kept some more money in my pocket. Maybe had $4000 into it with the cost of purchase and repairs/brakes/tires over 10yrs. Cant beat that. Unless you dont like working on your own vehicles. I even drove that heap from IL to MT and back a few times. And to the east coast and back towing a trailer.
I found a 2016 Ram 1500 tradesman 2wd with 60k miles on it that a local classic car dealer took in on trade. They were asking $21k for it and I got it out the door paying $19k. I didnt really need the 4x4 option since I really only ever used it when out "playing around" in mud. Im glad I bought it when I did! Seeing the prices that dealerships are asking right now is insane. I understand supply/demand and all that, but it doesnt mean I have to participate in paying the crazy prices they are listing right now.
If I was in the market for a new vehicle right now I would wait and just fix up whatever I was currently driving and wait until the market goes back to normal.
Its nice having a newer vehicle but sometimes I wonder if I really needed it. The suburban ran great and didnt have any big issues other than it took FOREVER to heat up in the winter and I looked like Joe the Junkman driving the rusted, dented truck around. It would finally be comfortable and warm by the time that I would make it to work, and that is a 30 minute drive. I like not freezing my butt off every morning in the winter now!
I can't wrap my head around paying more for a new truck, (that I don't even like) than I paid for my house. Yes, it's been a while, but still...a huge 1/2-3/4 ton truck I need a step ladder to look under the hood or even get into, a less than 8' bed, and room in the cab for a family of 5. You have to buy a trailer if you really want to haul what used to fit in a standard 8' bed, the trucks got bigger, but the payload got smaller.
I guess I'm lucky to live where I would only have to drive 20-30 miles to buy just about any brand I want, but none of them currently make a truck I would want. I just want a standard cab, 8' bed 4x4 1/2-3/4 ton truck with a reliable drive train that hasn't started rusting in the showroom. I guess I'm looking for a good late 90's-2002 Chevy or GMC the bodies are still not too big, the V-8 engines, (particularly the 6.0L) keep going past 300,000 miles with few problems, and a standard cab 8' bed isn't unheard of. If I have to put some money in it to make it reliable, so be it, I figure I'd have a good truck, the way I want it for for around $15,000. And yes, I can buy one here for under $10,000 with little to no rot, mileage from 180,000-230,000.
The way the industry is going we won't have pick up trucks anymore, we'll have small road tractors complete with sleepers and room for six.
Liberalism is a cult divorced from reality.
It's a lot like the huge SUVs. Room for 6 to 8 adults and most drive with one or two in them 95% of the time with the addition of 2 kids the rest of the time. I had a simple Ranger back in the early 90s. Two seat bench, three if you really had to get a small adult inside. Bed as big as my full size f150. Well, 6 inches narrower, but just as long. Roughly 10k out the door. That is what Ford should have made not a 4 ft pretend bed. And the escape platform is crap.....
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The Ford Maverick is made in Hermosillo, Mexico.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Maverick_(2022)
The Hyundai Santa Cruz is made in Montgomery, Alabama.
https://www.madeinalabama.com/2021/0...uction-launch/
"Luck don't live out here. Wolves don't kill the unlucky deer; they kill the weak ones..." Jeremy Renner in Wind River
You think trucks are stupid and expensive now, just wait until they are all electric...
GM is going all-electric by 2035. You have 13 years to enjoy a gas or diesel-powered new pickup.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/aut...gines-n1256055
Ford is going to be 100% electric in 8 years...
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/ele...lectric-future
And Stellantis (the giant conglomerate based in Europe and parent company of Chrysler, Dodge, and Ram) is also fully committed to going all electric.
https://apnews.com/article/europe-te...032353471b0dcd
"Luck don't live out here. Wolves don't kill the unlucky deer; they kill the weak ones..." Jeremy Renner in Wind River
Why I paid $2k for the extended warranty and every dealer within 40 miles accepts that warranty. 100k miles no time limit full coverage warranty. It breaks I call them to come get it, being a local dealer they will give me a loaner while it is in the shop. There are 5 Ford dealers within 40 miles.
The Escape platform was redesigned in 2016, 2017 model year on got the greatly improved engine and transmission. The parts I worry about the most. The older Escape were bad, the new design is pretty dang reliable. Yes I researched before buying.
And putting up Consumer Reports is useless, I don't have a subscription so can't see it. I got reviews from actual car sites instead. KBB, Edmunds, etc. It is a decent AFFORDABLE platform. I don't have $80k to drop on a vehicle. I have to stay around $30k. Some of us have budgets and stay within them!
And right now I am skipping trying to buy. No discounts, some dealers asking over retail...
Your linked article for Ford says they will go all electric in Europe. Maybe they'll be the only truck manufacturer in the states that continue to make ICE vehicles. They'd sure do well.
13 years is an awfully long time. We might give up this all electric dream in a few years as problems become evident and people come to their senses.
I have a 2016 Escape. Aside from oil & filter and wiper blade it has been completely trouble free. I have no complaints. My experience only
What I think as well.
I am 71, have a 2015 F150 with 65k on it and a 2016 F150 with 160K. We put on 12k each per year. In 10 years we will have 185k on one and 280k on the other, and I will be 81.
If the world has not smartened up, I will buy another ICE vehicle that will last until I am dead. I don't see the issues with electric vehicles being resolved for those of us who live in rural America.
By then, a new 4x4 truck will cost $100k-125k. Now isn't that something to look forward to?
Don Verna
I dont consider that lucky in ANY wayI guess I'm lucky to live where I would only have to drive 20-30 miles to buy just about any brand I want
ill give that a BIG AMEN
i know extended warantees make sense to some. But i look at it like this. If they made economic sense the companys selling them would be losing money not making millions. Truthfully your probably better off taking that money to the casino or buying lotto tickets. Im probably not the one to voice an opinion on this though. I have a son in law thats a master mechanic and runs a big local diesel truck repair center and he does all my work for free and gets parts at there cost. That said though my ram is 3 years old and has never had a single issue and my 2015 wrangler has 70k on it and all its had done was brakes once (just pads) and one ball joint and one fuel injector. If i didnt have big tires on it those problems probably wouldnt have happened. I guess the way i think about it is if im buying a new truck and am worried it wont make a 100k relitively trouble free im going to switch brands.
Why do you think larger tires caused your Jeep to have a fuel injector go bad? I can understand a ball joint failure, but believing a fuel injector failed due to larger tires is confusing to me.
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