.44 Special "target" WC from a snubby vs .38 Special FBI Load from service revolver

[deltaenterprizes]

I was taught long ago that shot placement is the key!

[44MAG#1]

I was taught long ago that shot placement is the key!

That kinda TRUMPS everything doesn't it. Even in the caliber, bullet weight, bullet type, velocity levels too.
As I said Karamojo used a 7X57 on Elephants.
Like a 22 to the brain is better than a 44 Mag to the foot or some such saying.
But a 44 Mag to the brain would be better than a 22 to the foot.
Or a 9MM to the brain is better than a 45 Auto to the foot or vice versa.
Could go on and on but won't.

[black mamba]

The point is maybe that a 45 to the shoulder, or hip, or thigh or some other non-lethal body part would be more effective at incapacitating the offender and rendering him harmless.

[44MAG#1]

The point is maybe that a 45 to the shoulder, or hip, or thigh or some other non-lethal body part would be more effective at incapacitating the offender and rendering him harmless.

Would the shoulder, hip or thigh hit (shot) render the thug harmless fast enough to keep him from laying down a line of fire with his 9MM ?
What if the thug was on drugs and didn't feel pain like we would not being on drugs?

[black mamba]

More likely that the 45 would than something half as big.

[44MAG#1]

More likely that the 45 would than something have as big.

What if the person with the 45 Auto had it loaded with 230 FMJRN ammo and the 9MM guy had HP ammo?

[HWooldridge]

[44MAG#1]

Don't forget the soft drinks.

[HWooldridge]

Don't forget the soft drinks.

[black mamba]

Why compare apples to oranges? If I can afford high quality 9 mm defensive rounds, why not high quality 45 caliber defensive rounds?

[44MAG#1]

Why compare apples to oranges? If I can afford high quality 9 mm defensive rounds, why not high quality 45 caliber defensive rounds?

That requires getting into the mind of the other person. That is hard to do as I am sure you know.
I know a guy that carried 9MM 115 grain FMJ. Now he carries a 45 Auto loaded with 230 FMJRN.
When you figure it out let me know.

[Bill*B]

Most of us employ repeating pistols, but still worry about getting “one shot stops”.

Tennessee Earnie Ford described fist fighting in “Sixteen Tons” as: “If the right one don’t get you, then the left one will.” This came to mind as I read the Greg Ellifritz study (referenced in post #93). Keep swinging if you’re fist fighting – keep shooting if you’re gun fighting.

[TNsailorman]

I had an old time peace office with some actual shooting experience tell me that if he knew he was going into a possible shooting situation, he always reached for the 12 gauge he carried in his cruiser. He also added that you continue shooting until the perp stops moving. I don't know how that advice would play out today in todays criminal friendly court system. Our world is getting more deadly all the time and it is not the guns that are the problem, it is the so called "justice" system that refuses to remove those who murder from society. My advice would be to use the largest handgun you can handle accurately and quickly. And practice, practice, practice and then practice some more. my take anway, james