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    30-30 Win vs 30-30 WCF

    Hey everyone, I recently acquired a Winchester 94 in 30-30 (stamped 30-30 win) I ordered a RCBS 2 die set and the sticker says 30-30 WCF. From my research it appears to be the same cartridge diameters. Just looking for you guys to give a second opinion. I just donít want to shove a piece of brass up there and get it stuck. Thanks guys


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    It is the same. "WCF" = Winchester Center Fire.

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    Kind of an interesting story about that.
    Nathan goes into it a bit here, but it's definitely a rabbit hole topic.

    (But yes, they definitely are the same)

    .30-30 Winchester (.30 WCF )
    https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Kno...++.30+WCF.html

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    Sometimes the German in me calls it the 7.62x52R........

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    When questions like this come up, I miss John Kort.

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    Same cartridge, different name. It came about apparently because Marlin didn’t want to put Winchester’s name on their rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ILostMyGoat View Post
    Hey everyone, I recently acquired a Winchester 94 in 30-30 (stamped 30-30 win) I ordered a RCBS 2 die set and the sticker says 30-30 WCF. From my research it appears to be the same cartridge diameters. Just looking for you guys to give a second opinion. I just donít want to shove a piece of brass up there and get it stuck. Thanks guys


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    As others have voiced, "30WCF" and .30-30 Win are indeed the same cartridge. My understanding (e.g., from what I've read and been told by old-timers) a bit of a ruckus came up when Remington Arms took pretty much identical to Winchester's cartridges and produced them with their rims milled off, starting in 1906... They had the 25, 30, 32, and 35, and surely did not wish to have the "Winchester" name following these. Hence, as one example, there was the .30-30 Remington -- made for semi-automatic firearms such as their Model 8, 14, 81, and others. (Interestingly, both bullet size/weight and powder charges for these cartridges -- either the xx Remington or xx-WCF -- are the same).Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	294737 There was a bit of confusion, too, when one wished to buy .30-30 / .30wcf cartridges which were manufactured by Remington Arms . I inserted here a couple of photos of the rimless .30-30 Remington.
    Congrats, big-time, on your getting a "thutty-thutty" as I've also heard them called...
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    Or if you're a Yooper, turty-turty, ya!

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgerkahn View Post
    As others have voiced, "30WCF" and .30-30 Win are indeed the same cartridge. My understanding (e.g., from what I've read and been told by old-timers) a bit of a ruckus came up when Remington Arms took pretty much identical to Winchester's cartridges and produced them with their rims milled off, starting in 1906... They had the 25, 30, 32, and 35, and surely did not wish to have the "Winchester" name following these. Hence, as one example, there was the .30-30 Remington -- made for semi-automatic firearms such as their Model 8, 14, 81, and others. (Interestingly, both bullet size/weight and powder charges for these cartridges -- either the xx Remington or xx-WCF -- are the same).Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	294737 There was a bit of confusion, too, when one wished to buy .30-30 / .30wcf cartridges which were manufactured by Remington Arms . I inserted here a couple of photos of the rimless .30-30 Remington.
    Congrats, big-time, on your getting a "thutty-thutty" as I've also heard them called...
    geo
    To make that more of a nebulous subject - I have examined a collection of Model 8's that are marked "30-30 Remington" and "25-35 Remington" . Can't imagine being sent to the store for shells for your dad's gun with that in mind!!!

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    Hello ILostMyGoat,

    I believe it was switched at serial number 1,900,000, during the 1951 Production run.
    All previous 94's were labeled 30 WCF (Winchester Center Fire).

    AntiqueSledMan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noah Zark View Post
    When questions like this come up, I miss John Kort.

    RIP John.

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    Amen to that. John was a very knowledgeable man. He died too young......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas by God View Post
    Sometimes the German in me calls it the 7.62x52R........

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    I am totally and completely unfamiliar or aware that anywhere in the world that the 30-30 is ever refereed to as a "7.62x52R".

    No I do often refer to the 30-30/30wcf as, 7.62x51R, that it is.

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    Like autumn as opposed to fall. Forgot where, but I read a very interesting article on cartridge naming nomenclature and how confusing it can be.

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    ive never used anything stamped 7.62x??R in a 30-30/30WCF, but the 6.5x52R is an exact match to the 25-35WCF, which is nothing more than a necked down 25 caliber version of the 30WCF

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwtebay View Post
    Kind of an interesting story about that.
    Nathan goes into it a bit here, but it's definitely a rabbit hole topic.

    (But yes, they definitely are the same)

    .30-30 Winchester (.30 WCF )
    https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Kno...++.30+WCF.html

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    i killed alot of deer with the 30-30. i put her (1972 win m94) away in my safe for years. three years ago i sent it to JES and he did a 35/30-30 and my love affair began again.

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    Screwball, the 7.62x51R would be the .307 Winchester
    If the .22 Hi Power and the 25-35 are both x52R I figured the 30-30 was as well......if I'm wrong, been there before.


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    Since we're talking about it - here's a box from a couple of years back.
    The box calls out to Winchester, Marlin and Savage rifles.

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    Yah!

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    and the beat goes on!

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