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    Case question for 45-70

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    I am cleaning up my old 45-70 brass and ran across some that have a distinct band running around the brass case, does anyone know why this is?

    I also have some cases that after running through the tumbler are still stained/discolored, while I'm not fanatical about my brass, I would like to clean them up as best as possible...any tips for removing the discoloration?
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    The band is a channelure (SP) it was rolled in at where the base of the bullet was to keep it from pushing back into the case feeding or in lever actions the recoil and magazine spring tension.

    As to the staining it is hard to remove once it is in the metal with out removing material

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    will the cannelure cause issues with reloading?

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    no it won't
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    Other than appearance, stains are no big deal.
    One time I got 5,000 .45ACP brass for $5. a thousand because they were stained from water or something
    so bad the fella couldn't sell them at the $30-40 or so dollars per 1,000 market price at the time.

    I ran a bunch for several days in a tumbler, and it didn't come out.
    Like a tattoo--- it didn't wash off.
    I don't know how many times I've loaded some of them but 20-odd years later, they're all still on the job.


    Just watch for corrosion pitting. It can be a problematic.
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    Cannelures are rolled onto cases after the projectile is loaded to help ensure the bullet doesn't slide deeper into the case during recoil. It can eliminate the need for a heavy roll crimp - or can augment a light crimp. They tend to get ironed out the first time the shell is fired.

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    I clean all my cases with steel wool. Never cleaned any that were that stained, but maybe worth a shot? I just hold about a 2" piece of it and twist the cases between my fingers.

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    The top case is showing metal precipitation. Some strong cleaner was probably used at one time, like vinegar, causing the separation of the alloys in the brass. Trash it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waksupi View Post
    The top case is showing metal precipitation. Some strong cleaner was probably used at one time, like vinegar, causing the separation of the alloys in the brass. Trash it.
    Seriously? Well, poop..45-70 brass is hard to come by around here. There are quite a few cases that show dots and spots of tarnish. I'm pretty sure they were at one time loaded with black powder, but I cant verify that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnt55 View Post
    Seriously? Well, poop..45-70 brass is hard to come by around here. There are quite a few cases that show dots and spots of tarnish. I'm pretty sure they were at one time loaded with black powder, but I cant verify that.
    Inspect it carefully and if there is no pitting into the case material ... keep it .
    I'm a believer on NOT tossing out brass just because it is stained , discolored or even lightly corroded .
    Brass is to hard to come by and I trash only if there is a structural defect or ...the primer pocket has enlarged to the point that primers keep falling out ... then it's time to drill them out and use for wax boolit loads !!!
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