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    Thoughts on Red Dot for Lever Gun 45-70

    Hi,

    Iíve finally acquired a lever gun in 45-70 (and 87/71) and I want to put a red dot on it. Iíve narrowed it down to the Aimpoint H2 Micro and the Deltapoint Pro.

    I wondered if anyone has experience using the tube type vs. slimline types of red dots. The H2 sits high on the gun and looks chunky, but flip up rings seem like an advantage in the field. The Deltapoint is nice and slim, but no integrated way of covering the lens from the elements. I havenít hunted with either, but it looks like the Deltapoint could give a nicer field of view and quicker target acquisition than the tube type H2, but advice appreciated.

    Thanks in advance

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    I have an ultradot on my 45 colt marlin 1894. It is a tube type. I prefer the tube sights for hunting. For one, the lenses stay drier in rainy weather. The ultradot has an easy to use knob to control brightness. It can be adjusted very low for dusk and dawn. I have used the tv type red dots, and definitely like the tube sights better
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    I put a Burris FF3 on my Win 1886 using a Turnbull mount to see how it would shoot. It would shoot five shots into 1.3-1.7Ē at my camp rang of 114 yards. I shot one buck with it and then took it off. This attached group isnít a ďwallet groupĒ from my 1886 45-70 with a red dot, itís typical. I donít think youíll find a scope would do any better at this distance. ITís certainly no handicap.
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    Thoughts on Red Dot for Lever Gun 45-70

    My 60yo eyes are not doing well. Red dots on every lever I own. Best thing I ever did. Either a TRS25 or a Romeo5

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    Scopes can offer more precision, finer detail.

    Red Dot offers very quick target acquisition and in a hunting situation acceptable accuracy. (IMO)

    I have rifles that I prefer scopes on, especially longer ranged, and targets at 100 yards or more.
    Others have red dot sights and they would be my preference to hunt with,

    Of all my rifles there are more Truglo 2x Red Dots than any other single brand or type.
    They bring those longer shots in close, are a short tube type. With snap down covers for weather. And last I saw still under 70$.
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    Ohh,......Red Dot sight, not RD powder.
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    Ive used them both. I will always go with the Aimpoint H2 Micro over a DeltaPoint Pro for a rifle. It is a better option for the footprint. Also, the emitter and dot are closed to the weather. That is a much better option for a gun that will be carried hunting.

    The DeltaPoint Pro works great, but is more geared to a handgun. I have had issues with the DeltaPoint failing on a 9MM CZ SP01 Shadow between 10K & 15K rounds. But that was with the Gen 1 DeltaPoint Pro. The last time they upgraded it to the Gen 2 electronics and it is still going strong.
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    the Burris fast fire sure did surprise me. very easy to get on target fast, compact and mine has never been knocked off zero. yet. ive tried it on handguns and a variety of rifles. but I've got a cheap tube type red dot on an AR and I like the 3x option of the tube type red dots for certain set ups like an AR. Ive also got a couple cheap red dot sight that looks like the Burris fast fire and they are completely worthless, will not hold a zero for more than one shot out of a 22. I was seriously thinking of ordering a 3x tube type, just last week and was doing some searching and it appears Leopold is no longer making the type I was thinking of so now I'm thinking of the Burris AR332. bottom line is from my experience you won't go wrong getting a Burris fast fire and it comes with a plastic cover that is just about as easy to remove or install as flipping a cap off a scope. my experience is to stick to the big name brands with proven track record of standing behind warranty it worth the extra expense in the long run.

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    IME, the reflex sights are the fastest to use on game, but are not as unobtrusive as a receiver peep sight.

    There are lens covers available in many different dimension, one of which would fit most tube-type red dot sights. ( I used flip-up lens covers - google)

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmbif View Post
    the Burris fast fire sure did surprise me. very easy to get on target fast, compact and mine has never been knocked off zero. yet. ive tried it on handguns and a variety of rifles. but I've got a cheap tube type red dot on an AR and I like the 3x option of the tube type red dots for certain set ups like an AR. Ive also got a couple cheap red dot sight that looks like the Burris fast fire and they are completely worthless, will not hold a zero for more than one shot out of a 22. I was seriously thinking of ordering a 3x tube type, just last week and was doing some searching and it appears Leopold is no longer making the type I was thinking of so now I'm thinking of the Burris AR332. bottom line is from my experience you won't go wrong getting a Burris fast fire and it comes with a plastic cover that is just about as easy to remove or install as flipping a cap off a scope. my experience is to stick to the big name brands with proven track record of standing behind warranty it worth the extra expense in the long run.
    I just bought this (two in a pack) cover for my Burris FF3. Crazy cheap price and good reviews.

    https://www.amazon.com/Dream-Plastic...ps%2C98&sr=8-1

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    Burris and vortex make prism sights that have the reticle etched in the prism. So when it's light out, you can use the lite up feature or not, and if battery goes dead, you still have cross hairs. I like them better than the reflex open dots and the battery required tube type.
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    I have a couple Burris Fastfires on AR .45 builds. Like them but my buds Romeo seems like a better idea, turns itself on and off whenever you pick up or set down the rifle. My other RD’s are the bigger Vortex. Never put a dot on a lever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Yanda View Post
    Ohh,......Red Dot sight, not RD powder.
    Me too!

    I like a red dot for fast acquisition, it doesn’t really fit my use of a lever gun in 45-70.

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    After having played with red dots, I am a huge proponent of 1-4, 1-6, or even 1-8 scopes with illuminated reticles. They offer better, more predictable parallax and much more flexibility than any red dot out there. When set to 1x, it's your red dot. Above that, it's your scope. Now that there are super-compact models on the market, red dots really only fill the super-lightweight niche from my POV.
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    Thoughts? I think classy lever guns are made for iron sights and saddles. I think a scope on a classy lever gun makes my blood run cold. I think a red dot on a classy lever gun makes my blood freeze. But, my guns aren't your guns so do as you wish with my blessings; after all, it's no one's business but your's is it?

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    I would try a peep sight too.
    Just as fast for me as a red dot less likely to get knocked off zero and wonít run out of battery.
    Also does not loose the lines of a classic lever
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    I have a micro H2, and I love it and recomend it without reservation, however my choice for my levergun is a leupold 1.5-4.5x20. Perfect footprint and magnification for a levergun, almost as fast as a dot.
    Very forgiving in terms of eye box as long as you don't have the magnification right maxed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
    I have a micro H2, and I love it and recomend it without reservation, however my choice for my levergun is a leupold 1.5-4.5x20. Perfect footprint and magnification for a levergun, almost as fast as a dot.
    Very forgiving in terms of eye box as long as you don't have the magnification right maxed.
    I have two of these with the illuminated reticle and I have to agree with you on your assessment. I’m about ready to get another one for one of my Encore barrels but haven’t decided yet which reticle to get yet. I have the Twilight Hunter now with the CDS dial but I’m thinking about the “Pig Plex” reticle for the .358max bbl.

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    Mine doesn't have the illuminated reticule but now you guys have me thinking I should try that out.

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    The Deltapoint is ok as a sight, but battery life is bad and the ergonomics for adjusting brightness suck.

    The Holosuns have a good reputation for durability, and they have the option of a "solar failsafe" which keeps you in a useable reticle even after the considerable battery life winds down.

    "Enclosed emitter" sights like the Holosun 509T or the Aimpoint Acro has glass on both ends and protect the dot's "projector" from the elements.

    The pistol sights usually have 1-MOA adjustments for windage and elevation. That's probably OK for a brush thumper like your 71, but it may be on the coarse side. They also have dot sizes and reticles that are more in keeping with short range defensive pistol work, so keep that in mind. The rifle sights are usually equipped with 1/2 MOA clicks.

    It's also worth doing some homework on how they mount. The Holosun 407/507/508 series USED TO come with a separate base plate that would allow you to mount them on a Picatinny rail, but since the primary intent on purchasing one is to bolt them to a purpose-milled pistol slide, they've discontinued it - - at least including them in the box anyway. Bummer. . .because after I put a 509 on my Glock, I was able to move my 507 to a Ruger MKII with no extra shopping involved.

    A lot of the rifle sights are also set up for cowitnessing with AR-15 sights out of the box, and as such, sit pretty high. Again, do your research on mounts and make sure you have options to drop them down to where you can shoot without needing to use an "open-mouthed chin weld".
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