Is this kid going to blow up his gun?

[Outer Rondacker]

[QUOTE=Idaho45guy;5331766] He said he got the load data from Hornady and knows he went over the max.


Hum after hearing this I would of made a nice but stern warning (comment) then said I can not help you.

Like others have said not if but when. You want to help his father, buy the kid a pair of shooting gloves.

[Meatpuppet]

This is really interesting.

Do you know what Generation G19 he is using? Is it an atermarket barrel? I would be suprised if it is a stock Glock barrel. I ask because brass is usually the weak point in Glocks. Those primers dont look too bad. My limited experience is that overpressure 9MM Glocks display case splitting/separation, bulging and flattened/blown primers before anything on the firearm lets go.

Glock "Open Class" 9M Major guns run about 40K-48K psi for tens of thousands of rounds. But there are upgrades to make that happen safely for that long.

Can you post side views of several fired cases? And it looks like the firing pin is "swiping" accross the primer, which would indicate the firearm is unlocking under too much pressure. Not good, but entertaining to watch from a safe distance.

[JSnover]

Tell him it doesn't matter what the internet says, if he got data from Hornady and then knowingly went over max, he's making a mistake.
It also doesn't matter what your experience is with 9mm reloads, if he sought your advice there's at least a chance he'll take it if you tell him "I wouldn't load it that hot, you're asking for trouble."

[1006]

Loading over pressure in the 9mm is not as bad an idea as using the same brass more than once.
It will give way. I have seen a few blow out at 9mm major levels. Every time, it was a small hole just above the extractor groove. New brass, or once fired brass will normally handle a 9mm Major load. The load mentioned does not make 9mm Major, but Bullseye is also not the right powder for the job. Most 9mm Major loads use powder in the AA5, HS-6, AutoComp, TruBlue, WAP area of the burn rate chart.

(velocity)X(bullet weight)=power factor(165,000 is major) This load is in the 145,000’s.

[country gent]

That load may not blow up the gun but its definitely going to increase the wear on it. I think at one time the Illinois State police statrd that the 9 mm +p cut the smiths they were using life in half

[Dukeconnor]

You never know who your standing next to at a range. If he wants to hurt himself thats his problem. Unfortunately may end up hurting someone else.

[contender1]

Lots of good responses here. Most point to the fact the kid is inexperienced,, and is flirting with danger.

One thing NOT mentioned in his reloads is the bullet seating depth. 9mm can easily increase the peak pressure point with a very small depth change in bullet seating. Peak pressure is where things get dangerous.

Going back to the Dad,, I'd be very calm, patient, and NOT use any words like stupid, or such.

I'd say things like;
I appreciate you asking me about this. It's obvious you care for your son & his safety. Your son has admitted to surpassing the limits given to him from a reputable loading manual & company. This causes me some serious safety concerns. Not just for you & your son,, but for any others who may be around IF,, that gun fails & blows up. Think of the liability you and your son can face if it happens & injures,, or gosh forbid,, kills someone else. Lawyers will take everything y'all have just on that one comment alone. "He knows he exceeded the recommended loads." Do you want to face a mother who lost a loved one because he's not following the safe guidelines by the companies who put a lot of money & effort in their testing of loads? And lawyers can & will sue you into the poor house. And your son,, what will you do if you lose him, or he gets severely injured by failing to be safe?
The internet has a lot of good stuff,, but it also has a lot of mis-information that can be dangerous. Tell your son that SAFETY must come first."

Doing this MIGHT get you a chance to teach this 18 yr old that handloading is a potentially dangerous thing,, AND prevent potential issues. PUSH the "Accuracy trumps power anyday," mantra. I tell students all the time; "No matter how powerful your gun is,, it's not worth a dern if you can't hit the target."

[35remington]

The swipe on the primer is caused by the barrel dropping to unlock while the firing pin still protrudes. This has nothing to do with pressure. Some amount of swipe is common even on standard pressure loadings.

Due to the way auto loading pistols of this type work, the gun cannot “unlock early or under too much pressure” The gun does not unlock until the bullet is gone and the pressure has dropped to zero. The pressure you are experiencing may well be too high, but the visual cues are not caused by “early unlocking due to too much pressure.”

I mention this to clarify actual versus perceived occurrences.

The gun unlocks when there is essentially no pressure at all. It cannot happen any other way.

[bangerjim]

First warning sign "kid".

Second warning sign "obsessed with speed"

Third warning sign "he knows he went too high"

Fourth warning sigh "getting load data from Facebook!"

Generally, he is way out in left field on these loads. If I were you, I would be in the far right field.....of another ball diamond!!!! In another town!

This is serious. Please post obituary when available.

banger

[dverna]

Being a kid has no bearing on this....I wish people would stop using that as an excuse for stupidity.... and not only here on this thread.

Like many of you, I started reloading at a young age...I was sixteen. No internet...just books and magazines. Maybe I was, and still am, a “girly man”, but I never exceeded maximum loads and always worked up loads when looking for higher end performance.

If this guy never read a manual and started to reload...he is stupid.
If this guy read the manual and ignored it...he is stupid.

And he needs to be told he is stupid. He needs a kick in the ass and not a group hug.

If you think differently, imagine he is dating your daughter or granddaughter and taking her to the range to shoot his super duper reloads.

[freakonaleash]

Accuracy is far more impressive than recoil and high speed.

[jonp]

I found some load data for Bullseye and 90gr Jacketed online and 5.7gr is clocking 1400fps. 6.2 if the bullet is seated to the ogive sounds way too hot primer flattening or not. XTP 90 N350 7.4 1532 is the only thing I can find at that velocity and I'm sure 6.2gr of BE is rolling in that vicinity if not more and I can find no data on powder in it's range that comes close to that velocity. I found some Titegroup at 1300fps and some Red Dot at 1350fps but that's as close as I could get with a powder that fast. All the 1500fps loads use a slower powder like Blue Dot or Unique. This leads me to believe the pressure may very well be over max with a fast powder.

Frankly, I wouldn't shoot those and advise him to back that load down.

As for velocity, when I started out reloading I also went down the velocity rabbit hole thinking velocity was king. Took a while to realize accuracy with the proper bullet trumps all at least for me.

[bangerjim]

Being a kid has no bearing on this....I wish people would stop using that as an excuse for stupidity.... and not only here on this thread.

Like many of you, I started reloading at a young age...I was sixteen. No internet...just books and magazines. Maybe I was, and still am, a “girly man”, but I never exceeded maximum loads and always worked up loads when looking for higher end performance.

If this guy never read a manual and started to reload...he is stupid.
If this guy read the manual and ignored it...he is stupid.

And he needs to be told he is stupid. He needs a kick in the ass and not a group hug.

If you think differently, imagine he is dating your daughter or granddaughter and taking her to the range to shoot his super duper reloads.

Quick................hire a teenager while they still know everything!

banger

[reddog81]

He said he got the load data from Hornady and knows he went over the max.

I love this quote! The load data is not "from Hornady" if he knows he went over max...

I'd ask what in the world is he trying to accomplish with this. If his answer it to beat is gun up so it wears out much faster than is should then tell him to keep at it. Best you can probably do is show him relevant load data and show that his is way over max.

Some people tend to think loads go directly from safe to KABOOM. And since this load isn't a KABOOM, by default it must be safe. This is faulty logic as there is a whole spectrum of loads - Light, target, moderate, heavy, full strength, +P, +P+, excessive by any measure, dangerous and then Kaboom. Anything in the +P, +P+ or hotter is going to cause excessive wear on the gun. He's probably flirting with the +P+ range (maybe over). This range of loads is kind of specific to 9mm since 9mm has +P load specs...

[farmbif]

so, this this is the experimental reloader you just might be next to at a public shooting range.
someone really ought to get that kid a Lyman manual and tell him to read the whole thing before he starts putting primer, powder and bullets in empty brass.

[farmbif]

ive seen it before as the paramedics rush the shooter off on a gurney trying to hold the blood in his body and the shooter is saying something like yeah that was a good powerful load

[Buzz Krumhunger]

Hey, somebody on Facebook said he was going to be ok with that load. That trumps all other sources of information, right?

[reddog81]

ive seen it before as the paramedics rush the shooter off on a gurney trying to hold the blood in his body and the shooter is saying something like yeah that was a good powerful load

The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.

[Big Tom]

Simply share this thread with the dad and his son. Maybe a few more voices get him on track. Good thing though that there are younger kids into reloading at all...

[243winxb]

Blow up- meaning KABOOM https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...ums/kaboom.24/
Photos. Plastic guns dont do well.

Loads for 9mm major seem to be always over book maximum. Like proof loads. Brass good for 1 firing.