I have an Ortgies in .32 and .380 - just swap the barrels and use the same magazine. I came across this Ortgies .25 at a decent price, probably because the grips aren't original. Many times, the original grips were pried off and broken (they're held in place with a retention spring/clip inside the mag well. The Ortgies have no screws). Anyways, I reload for .25 and this one is in good shape.