I load for almost all the old winchester rifle cartridges....doesn't everybody? Heck, now Uberti makes guns in 40-60, 45-60, 45-75 and 50-95...talk about obsolete cartridges!Originally Posted by veeman
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I load for almost all the old winchester rifle cartridges....doesn't everybody? Heck, now Uberti makes guns in 40-60, 45-60, 45-75 and 50-95...talk about obsolete cartridges!
Thank you!!
The only thing worse than a bean counter running a company would be someone who thinks chambering .38-56 is a good idea.
I hope the Ruglin meets the hype. It will be good to see modern Marlins back on the shelf at affordable prices. Part of me wants them to fail, because then the guns are dead forever, and the three I have will be worth a lot more.
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Right. But not everyone reloads, so its the logical choice to start with the 45/70, because it can be readily available in most shops. I reload for over 20 different calibers, most because I can, others because I have to, (45/75 - 50-95) all because its my hobby and I enjoy doing it. Other than .22s and shotgun, I haven't bought store bought ammo for 35 years.I load for almost all the old winchester rifle cartridges....doesn't everybody? Heck, now Uberti makes guns in 40-60, 45-60, 45-75 and 50-95...talk about obsolete cartridges!
It makes the well used Winchesters I see at the lgs for 5-6 hundred look pretty good.
i about croaked when i paid 650 for a year old guide gun two years ago. Sure as heck not paying 1400 for ANY marlin. As to the poor ones. ive had the from every generation from my old 1955 336adl that dad bought new to this latest one. ive yet to have a bad one in any configuration or caliber. Heck ive yet to actually see one that was bad. All i see is internet experts trying to make it look like there gun savoy by tearing down marlin and remington. Youd think with all these bad guns and as much time as i do shooting id have at least seen one. i agree with others. If it comes to spending over a grand im looking for an 86 or 95 and honestly today would buy those either. I just dont hunt lever gun teritory enough to give up my bolts and being retired i have to justify a new gun if im not trading an old one for it and ive pretty much got all the lever guns i need.
I bought a Remlin 1895 45/70 CB manufactured in 2018. Just when they were getting the hang of making them. And I have been happy with it. Of course I bought it at a gun shop where I could handle it and thoroughly inspect it. The fit and finish was surprisingly good no machine marks working the lever was extremely smooth. It hasn't given me a single problem other than it shoots a bit on the high side which will be remedied when I get around to taking a file with me to the range. And I paid $800 for it just before the covid crap took off. $1400 for a new Rumlin
I'm glad I bought my Remlin CB when I did.
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You wont fix anything by filing the sight down if its already shooting high, you'll just make it worse. Get a taller sight.
I'm with you except the JM stamped Marlins are what they are and they'll never be made again. Ruger missed a great chance to keep the Huntsville factory open and stamp the new rifles with HUNT ... which would have been a great marketing brand.
I do know, because I was one of the ones they called, that they called a lot of collectors and owners, they reached out to certain members of the Marlin Forum, others such as me who had a lot of contact with the old customer service people like Bob Tinari ... they asked us for input. I think, initially they had decided to go with laminated furniture because of durability and availability and price point given what the Walnut is going-for and they'll never put Beech on an 1895.
For some reason, which I have never understood, a lot of the big bore guys the 45-70 and 444 Marlin guys love those laminated stocks and stainless receivers I guess because they are marketed more to the Pacific NW and great white north crowd.
The 30.30 is going to-be an early staple at a more affordable price point, very competive. Everyone forgets how much more expensive Henrys were ... now they'll be more in line price-wise and the Marlin design and engineering will be very hard for Henry to beat head-to-head.
I do like the Henry Long Ranger.
I know I recommended a 35 Remington version and the person who called me pretty much scoffed at that saying a half dozen others will be produced before they seriously consider a 35 Remington. The 30.30, 357/38, 444 Marlin ... I think he implied the 44 Mag ... pretty much anything that can be marketed as straight walled deer cartridges in the Midwestern states.
I know a few of the old club had some really indepth unput and came away with a lot more poop than did I.
I think they're planning a 327 Federal version to complement their revolver ... may happen sooner rather than later. I'm sure that has issues with ammo supply just like they said the 35 Rem does from their perspective.
So later I got a call about my 338 Marlin Express ... an interested buyer. It was the last one out of the old New Haven plant and I've got the provenance to prove that ... it's insane how much I've been offered for this rifle. (I'll try to post pictures if I can find them.) It is, of course, JM stamped. The person that called me had a west Arkansas area code so I assumed he was repping Ruger trying to buy the rifle ... although he dodged that question quite artfully saying his client wished to remain anonymous. He was very matter of fact, take it or leave it, but he kept upping the offers until we got well into four digits ... close to five and I still said thanks but no thanks.
It made me realize how valuable the JM stamped Marlins are going to be down the road, especially rare or low production models. Also, older ones, well kept in orignal configuration and unbubbarized.
Anyways, I could go on and on about Marlins ... the 308 MX and the 338 MX (see below) are probably two of the greatest levergun calibers ever designed but the ammo manufacturers never fully supported either of them, especially Hornady which betrayed Marlin in many ways.
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Whoops that does make me sound a little bit ignorant doesn't it
Looked at my pictures again and it shoots low. I did install a Skinner ladder site.
It shot okay with the factory rear sight. But I wanted something that gave more choices for extended ranges. I would essentially have to file off the entire brass bead from the factory site to get it where I want, at least that's my guesstimation. Either way it would probably be an intelligent thing to buy a brass front sight from Skinner and go from there instead of ruin the factory bead site...
Last edited by Desertbuck; 12-30-2021 at 03:59 PM.
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I looked at it. Kind of an ugly thing. The price wouldn't bother me if I wanted it but, that ain't gonna happen.
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I'm just hoping the guts are compatible with the earlier products so there's no mechanical difficulties when we disregard the lawyer notice in the manual by plugging the cross bolt safety hole and taking the two-piece firing pins out.
Put me firmly in the camp of NOT chambering these things for extinct calibers! Material and labor costs are already putting the MSRP above the "truck gun" market the 336 line was popular with; adding complexity to the line with parts for niche calibers won't help.
The .357 and .44 they're planning for the 1894 can duplicate anything the old rounds could do. If you have a cowboy caliber hang up, buy a Uberti 1873 Winchester copy and the Peacemaker clone to match.
The .45-70 is a bit of a bruiser for deer in a state that requires a straight cartridge, but aside from that legal technicality, it and the .30-30 do the deed. For the straight-case states, coming to some agreement on the right combination of bullet diameter case length, and barrel marking for the .38-55 / .375 Win is about as weird as the 336/1895 line needs to be.
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Geeze! Guys on the Marlin Owner Forum were complaining about Marlin quality before Marlin folded and Freedon/Cerberus/Remington bought them. That entity laid off the old guys who knew how to use 100 year old equipment to build nice rifles, moved everything to Ilion NY and hilarity ensued until they finally figured it out. Now Ruger has the ball in their court and started out by producing the actual star of the movie Wind River
Remington/Marlin couldn’t make those fast enough to meet demand. If they did a decent job guys will pay $1,400 MSRPish pricing for an 1895SBL.
When Ohio legalized rifles you couldn’t find an 1895 here in WV and guys were selling dad’s old gun for $1,200 easily. The .45/70 rules that niche.
FWIW, My Ruger #1 in .44mag will easily outshoot either .44 1894 I’ve owned. Hopefully Ruger will put a similar barrel on their version of the 1894 and I’ll end up with one.
Last edited by Rick R; 12-30-2021 at 10:51 PM.
That's actually true. We had a ton of discontent on the Marlin Forum almost from day one when Remington bought them out and we started hearing from so many of the old timers who were contacting us and letting us know what Remington was doing to the brand and them in the factory ... and their nefarious destructive plans that are now legendaryly (sic) and infamously well-known.Geeze! Guys on the Marlin Owner Forum were complaining about GM quality before Marlin folded and Freedon/Cerberus/Remington bought them. That entity laid off the old guys who knew how to use 100 year old equipment to build nice rifles, moved everything to Ilion NY and hilarity ensued until they finally figured it out. Now Ruger has the ball in their court and started out by producing the actual star of the movie Wind River
Remington/Marlin couldn’t make those fast enough to meet demand. If they did a decent job guys will pay $1,400 MSRPish pricing for an 1895SBL.
When Ohio legalized rifles you couldn’t find an 1895 here in WV and guys were selling dad’s old gun for $1,200 easily. The .45/70 rules that niche.
FWIW, My Ruger #1 in .44mag will easily outshoot either .44 1894 I’ve owned. Hopefully Ruger will put a similar barrel on their version of the 1894 and I’ll end up with one.
There was a major uproar. Remington basically cut their own throats from a marketing perspective before they ever put their first below standard Remlin out on the market. If I remember correctly they either went to Bass Pro or Cabelas and there was a total meltdown. It was epic. We had to moderate so many posts for bad language that we were on the lookout literally 24/7.
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I got one of the last JM 1894’s in .357 and it was a piece of junk. The barrel was screwed into the receiver so crooked that I couldn’t adjust the windage enough to get it to shoot to the receiver sights I put on it. Remington replaced it with a .44 Mag (they weren’t making .357’s at that time. While not perfect the Remlin at least had the barrel screwed in straight. So not all of those old “craftsmen” at Marlin were doing such a great job at the end.
The new production guns have hit Gunbroker and the guys who desperate to have one are bidding well over two grand. I don't think you'll have to worry about paying MSRP for a while!
Remember: Ammo will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no ammo.
I just don't know. On one hand GB is an amazing resource that helps folks find hard-to-find or obsolete guns. On the other hand, as a national marketplace which allows the super well-healed to suck up limited production items such as this. One of these actually making it to a local shop will be the exception, rather than the rule.
In the past, these guns would go from Ruger, to distributors, to dealers, and then to the customer. Now once they hit the distributor or maybe the dealer, the guns are shot right to GB for top dollar. To hell with the local customer.
I saw this throughout the pandemic with ammo. Distributors and large dealers hocking the ammo they got online, while the shelves in most shops were bare. I know, I know...free market. And I agree 100%. It's just gotten to the point GB is amazing if you're selling. Buying? Not so much.
Unless you are the well heeled buyer looking for something rare or hard to get. 50/50
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You're not wrong. Hopefully this will be a wake-up call for us poor, not-well-healed, folk from here on out.
I feel so not-well-heeled rich these days. No debt, all these JM stamped Marlins, tripping over ammo, 200 meter line on my property, steel hanging everywhere in the woods, greatest reloading room under 300 sq feet in the country ... if not the planet. More reloading supplies than Bass Pro and Cabela's combined. Great kids and grandkids. Young pretty green eyed dark-haired long-legged skinny-ankles big-breasted wife. Awesome dogs. Lake full of fish. Woods full of game. Acres around me with no one on them but the birds and bugs and bambies and wabbits .... did I mention my dogs?
I love this not-well-heeled life. Took me decades to get here, just kept my hose down, steadily moving forward in an unwell-heeled life .... and now I get to observe the craziness. And it is crazier than bed bugs out there these days. It's going to be easy peasy pickins when the time comes. All these well-heeled folks with their fancy firearms and castles full of ammo and reloading supplies.
Where is Hatch these days? He still mean and cantankerous? Now there's one well-heeled dude.
Point being ... Gun Broker has left us normal folks behind boys. Auction entities always do ... it's always been that way ... literally forever. Most of us small town country boys never paid much attention to them anyways.
The best deals to be found are in local traders, small town gun shops and viq word of mouth through friends and families. Cultivated contacts and work buddies.
Ruger will habe the market so flooded, in short order, that those well-heeled fellas will be regretting their jumping-of-the-gun(s) ... pardon the pun, and the rhyme.
Last edited by Airborne Falcon; 12-31-2021 at 06:18 PM.
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What did a Marlin cost a worker in 1894 and how did the steel quality compare to a new one? For that matter, how did the *tolerances* compare to a new one? Especially the barrel tolerances.
If you make $35/hr, the new Marlger costs one week's gross. And we're complaining?
I patented a mechanically complex CNC-machined product. Modern manufacture is a miracle. To start a new assembly line, new engineered drawings, new machines, new fixtures, source material vendors, train new employees, lease a facility, warehouse, pay for marketing, pay for shipping, pay for business insurance, carry an employee health plan, then sell a higher-quality Marlin than possibly was ever made, is something we should admire.
Ive got a so called JM 45/70 from the 70s.,I bought new ........I have never liked it ,as for the quality,tell that to the assembler who left a series of dents in the barrel hammering in the sights.........or the amateurish stripes left in the action by the belt sander .....which I add ,only finished the flat sides,the rest left sandblasted matte.........on top of which ,the large gaps around the bolt opening.........I bought the rifle mail order ,so couldnt look at it before I got it.......A post 64 Winchester 94 was finished a million times better ,even if the blue wasnt real durable.
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