All electric pickup. Still not buying it.

[Idaho45guy]

The Rivian R1T is an all-electric pickup that has 800hp and does 0-60 mph in about 3 seconds. Amazing performance. Cost is around $70k, which is about the same as a Ford F-150 King Ranch.

It's ugly, but the hundreds of features are amazing.

Still, can't justify the cost, even if electricity was free. I've yet to see one of these electric vehicle reviews address range when the temperature is around 0, like it gets down to many times around here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYrunRy8hmw

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[Thundarstick]

Some of the research I'm reading is that it's actually cheaper to burn gasoline than use electricity, and that's not counting the cost of either vehicle!

[Idaho45guy]

Another thing that I didn't see addressed is that every single function on that vehicle required electricity. Opening the doors required an electric servo to function. Opening the panel to re-charge it required an electric servo to activate when touched. The tailgate, the hood, everything was electric.

So... What happens when it sits outside in -20 degree weather and the batteries completely die? How do you get into it or even open the charging port to charge the batteries? It doesn't even have a key; just a fob that relies on electricity.

This massive push towards EVs is absolutely rooted in an evil plot by the globalists to handicap those of us in rural and cold-weather areas.

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[trebor44]

While there have been some massive intrusions into the environment by human activity over the years, this is more of a 'profit' push than a 'save the planet'. Destroying and re-arranging the landscape to increase development is more of an environmental impact then carbon based vehicles. What about the resources developed and the processes to consume these 'save the planet' items? Seems to be a lot of blinders have become fashionable in lieu of thinking outside the 'mantra'!

[Sasquatch-1]

Wife worked with a woman who bought a Chevy Volt. During the summer she would come to work and brag about not buying gas. The first sub-freezing day she was late for work. Got three miles from her house and the battery died.

[JimB..]

This massive push towards EVs is absolutely rooted in an evil plot by the globalists to handicap those of us in rural and cold-weather areas.

I get that you’re all about the conspiracy, but in this case isn’t it more likely that those of us in rural cold weather areas are economically unimportant to car companies? I wonder if we’ll see diesel work trucks from John Deere as the consumer brands abandon the segment? Will IH get back into it? Bet they won’t be just $70k!

[country gent]

A pick up is or was a work vehicle who cares how fast it will do 0-60. With a truck I care more about load capacity and towing capabilities. I want to know what its range is pulling 2 gravity boxes of grain or carrying a load of stone. And other chores a truck is used for. How is it going to perform in the mud the dust and the crude, fording a small stream or flooded road. rough toads and terrain, will it set corn or wheat stubble on fire ( the early catalytic converters would).

[Sasquatch-1]

How is it going to perform in the mud the dust and the crude, fording a small stream or flooded road. rough toads and terrain, will it set corn or wheat stubble on fire ( the early catalytic converters would).

Now there is an interesting point. I have seen many a "Snow Flake" stuck on a flooded rod with their small Toyota or Honda. Just think what that would do to an all-electric vehicle.

[Gator 45/70]

+ side, You can carry the generator in the bed and charge while you drive.

[OS OK]

Back in the 60's when I was a teen, I ran my old 48 Dodge PU out of gas many times and had to walk to a payphone, call a buddy and ask him to bring me a can of gas.

With these EV's...how does someone bring you a can of electricity?

I'm not against progress but I am against ANYTHING promoted by the GLOBALISTS.

[lightman]

Electric vehicle performance is awesome. But, there are still lots of issues to overcome. Cold weather performance is just one of them. How long does a charge last when driving in the mountains or pulling a trailer? How/where will you get rid of the old batteries or will they become hazardous waste? I will say that it will be awhile before I jump on one.

[Froogal]

A pick up is or was a work vehicle who cares how fast it will do 0-60. With a truck I care more about load capacity and towing capabilities. I want to know what its range is pulling 2 gravity boxes of grain or carrying a load of stone. And other chores a truck is used for. How is it going to perform in the mud the dust and the crude, fording a small stream or flooded road. rough toads and terrain, will it set corn or wheat stubble on fire ( the early catalytic converters would).

Exactly!! The manufacturers seem to have totally abandoned the idea of a pickup truck being a work truck.

[contender1]

Lots of good points above about electric vehicles.
Of course,, NONE of those issues are addressed by the makers & sellers of such crap. And one thing not mentioned is the cost of the batteries,, from the basic building, to maintaining, to disposal, to what it does to the environment. And of course,, right now, the cost of electricity at charging stations,, may be "low" but it will increase. Plus,, what happens to a a vehicle when you can't charge it due to power outages, grids going down, etc.
I'm old enough to where I'll never be forced into buying an electric vehicle. And I too want a truck to WORK. Pansy types who buy a truck to carry a few bags of groceries,, or maybe move a single piece of furniture, or whatever do not WORK in a truck. Heck, I have a 4-door,, and the back seats are folded up out of the way for me to store work equipment in that space. If I were to try & get more than one rider,, I'd have to empty the inside of my rear cab area. And that would be a chore.
I need power to work,, quality built, easier to maintain, less likely to have issues that would need a specialist mechanic, etc. So when I bought my 2021 4x4, it was strictly a base model work truck type. Oh, and it still has a nice V-8 gas engine thank you.

Those tree hugging, grass eating, weenies can cry all they want. But in my job,, when I go to a customers house,, and I see such crap,, my job estimates go UP for those types. They want to force an agenda,, they can PAY ME MORE to put up with their crap. And occasionally,, when my quotes are questioned,, I politely say; "Due to increased expenses for materials, delivery, gas, insurance, taxes, and especially forced government mandates upon my business,, I have to charge my fees to stay in business. I can't work for free,, or pay to work for you!"

I work in an area a lot that's full of eco-freaks. LOTS of push for the greenie methods. Only once has a person said something about my full sized gas drinking truck,, vs her Prius electric car. And when I got through with that woman,, she was severely pissed at me,, but could not deny the things I'd told her about what her "cheap electric car" actually cost the environment. I told her to NOT believe me,, but be smart & do ACTUAL research into how electric car batteries are made,, and what THAT does to the environment.

[country gent]

I helped move hospital and emergency personnel during bad weather when younger with my 4 wheel drive truck. Sometimes pushing snow with the pumper and or grill. Or fording flooded roads. truck sat on 14" X 35" tires. Sometimes paralleling the road in known fields because they were clearer than the road. I have to wonder how these electric trucks are going to handle this abuse.

As a funny aside. I stopped one night to pick up a nurse to take to the local hospital. Her husband answered the door. Since it was well below zero I had left the truck running and lights all on. He looked out started laughing, I told him its not much but its paid for and mine. Then his wife came to the door, I think she would have had to stand tippy toe to reach 4' tall. I told him to get his coat He was helping her in the truck.

I do have an open mind on electric vehicles but until I see real life performance data directly related to the vehicles intended usage I will wait. Really what good is an electric truck that wont pull a trailer or wagons, that cant haul a load of firewood or lumber. Or gives up in bad weather. In the winter even the church parking lot had more 4 wheel drive trucks than cars in it.

[MUSTANG]

Food for thought (re: generator in back of truck or "Buddy Bring a Can of Electricity".

EV Charge rate - 110V 15 amp circuit. Charge rate = 3 miles per hour. (You can walk home faster than that if you get up and go).

EV Charge rate - 220 Volt 30 amp circuit. Charge rate = about 22 Miles per Hour. (How far from home are you when you run out of SPARKS?)

EV Charge Rate - 220 Volt 50 amp circuit. Charge rate = about 30 Miles per Hour.


All "Miles" are based on new batteries; coastal California type weather patterns, single passenger in vehicle, NOT Cold Weather, No heater using SPARKS, and Not Night so not using lights.

And of course No electric Outlet on that Tree or Sage Brush to recharge the battery where you ran out of SPARKS.

[Scrounge]

Food for thought (re: generator in back of truck or "Buddy Bring a Can of Electricity".

EV Charge rate - 110V 15 amp circuit. Charge rate = 3 miles per hour. (You can walk home faster than that if you get up and go).

EV Charge rate - 220 Volt 30 amp circuit. Charge rate = about 22 Miles per Hour. (How far from home are you when you run out of SPARKS?)

EV Charge Rate - 220 Volt 50 amp circuit. Charge rate = about 30 Miles per Hour.


All "Miles" are based on new batteries; coastal California type weather patterns, single passenger in vehicle, NOT Cold Weather, No heater using SPARKS, and Not Night so not using lights.

And of course No electric Outlet on that Tree or Sage Brush to recharge the battery where you ran out of SPARKS.

The only thing I'd like to have an electric vehicle for is to provide electrical power to the house during an outage. And for that I want a hybrid, not battery-only. Though my 1998 Chevy C1500 will run the 2kw inverter just fine for as long as the gasoline lasts. If I just need lights and a fan or two, the 400w inverter does OK. It will also run the stove top & oven, as long as I don't turn on the electric broiler.

Basically, if they want to me to have an electric vehicle, they'll have to give it to me. And I KNOW that ain't happening.

Bill

[Geezer in NH]

City toy that will NEVER go of pavement. Don't see any around the bush where I live in NH

[memtb]

Perhaps one of the few electric vehicles that makes sense......a place to place a high wattage generator and the generator fuel tank! memtb

[dverna]

A pick up is or was a work vehicle who cares how fast it will do 0-60. With a truck I care more about load capacity and towing capabilities. I want to know what its range is pulling 2 gravity boxes of grain or carrying a load of stone. And other chores a truck is used for. How is it going to perform in the mud the dust and the crude, fording a small stream or flooded road. rough toads and terrain, will it set corn or wheat stubble on fire ( the early catalytic converters would).

Do you have any idea how small a market you (and BTW guys like me) represent? None of my friends have any interest in an EV PU. Even if most of our driving is sedate, we still need to haul stuff, ride down two tracks, and something that works in -35* temperatures.

OTOH, when IC vehicles were first introduced, a lot of folks wondered why anyone would want to use one when a horse was so reliable. There will be challenges but I suspect EV's in 20 years will be vastly improved over what we have now. They will not be for everyone but will work well for most.

There will be a lot of "old" pickups kept on the road as a result. And I surmise the real "sting" for those buying the first generations of EV's will be the hit they take on trade in or trying to sell them.

[Baltimoreed]

Agree, as a city commuter an EV would reduce smog and being smaller be handier but as a real vehicle no way. In July ‘21 I did a 3230 mile 59 hour road trip in my Edge. Last month my son and I did a 2500 mile trip to pick up a 1970 Airstream. I would never buy one. Plus the EV makers have been very quiet on battery recycling, obviously they don’t recycle very well or at all.