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Thread: third deer with a 327 federal, first with a solid bullet

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    third deer with a 327 federal, first with a solid bullet

    I went out for the MN firearms deer, and intended on shooting almost anything, and I intended to use my 54 caliber muzzleloader. There isn't much to the story of this buck. I was sitting in a stand, and expecting a deer to come from either the left, or right of me, and also had a trail close behind me. As luck would have it, a young 5 point buck came dead ahead of me. This is not ideal because it is a large hill, the deer look straight down at you as they walk down. I had my rifle to my far right, and any movement would have been risky. There were no trees to block his sight. I didn't have to think too hard as I had my GP100 sitting on a shelf, with my hand on it. All I did was wait for the buck to come down the hill, lifted my hand, and I had a perfectly clear shot at about 30 yards, favoring heavily towards me. I shot him just in front of the left front shoulder. At the shot, he tried to jump, but his front legs were not strong enough, and he ended up doing an endover cartwheel. He didn't slow too much, and ran straight at me. He turned only 15 yards from me, and after jumping a log, I took a second shot broadside. I waited 10 minutes, saw a text that my uncle had a very large buck down, and I went to go help him.

    About 45 minutes to an hour later we came back for my buck. I went to where I took the second shot, looked where he went, and he was right there. From the first shot, he might have made it 40-50 yards total. I noticed right away that there was an exit wound, which I was not shocked to see, but being a frontal shot, I thought I would have caught the bullet. I did not look that hard, but did not see an entrance hole for the second shot, so assumed a miss.

    I'd like to jump back here, and talk about the load I was using. In the past I used a hollow point 143 grain bullet cast of 20:1 alloy. The only reason I didn't use it this time is because I did not have any cast, and I could not for the life of me find my 30 caliber gas checks. I ended up finding them 3 days later in a spot I checked. Anyway, I went to my target bullet, a 137 gr SWC, and decided to try some cast of 20:1 just to see how they shoot. They dropped at 139 grains. I loaded some up with H110, and to my surprise 12 gr H110 shot phenomenally well. Not a trace of fouling either. Since I had no intention of using the handgun, I decided I'd skip the hollow point, and just use it. I figured the velocity must be in the 1250 fps ballpark, and all evidence I saw was that this bullet would not expand at that speed.

    Jumping back to the results on the deer, I am more than pleased. After skinning it, I found the first bullet had entered exactly where I wanted, passed through at least 1 lung, unsure of the heart, went though the stomach and likely other guts, and exited just in front of the rear offside back leg. It turns out the second shot did connect, and it had hit exactly where I wanted too. It entered the left shoulder centered on the leg bone, shattered the bone, went through both lungs, unsure of the heart (one of the two split it open), then exited just ahead of the front leg on the other side. Between those two shots, that front left leg was beat up bad, I'm amazed that deer could run. It was practically detached. There was a lot of blood in there too, so I must have got some kind of artery.

    Here is a picture of the carcass on the entrance side. The holes through the ribs aren't all that impressive, maybe 3/8" in size.



    The real impressive things were in the meat and organs. I did not take any pictures of the lungs as I was in a hurry to finish and get back to the stand. It left at least 1/2" holes through the lungs, and whichever one hit the heart ended up splitting it open, along with the hole it made.

    This first picture is the front left shoulder where the first bullet entered. It left a decent hole through the meat, not quite 1/2", call it 44 or 45 caliber size.



    The second and third picture is where the second bullet entered into the shoulder bone. It shattered the bone, left a massive hole, and I even found a couple tiny bullet fragments in the bone.






    This final picture blew me away. This is part of the offside rear leg, apparently the first bullet did get into the first bit of meat for that leg. This is the exit hole, and wow, it must be coming up on 1" in diameter. If ever there was evidence that a 20:1 alloy bullet can expand at 1200 fps impact, this is it. Now I want to shoot one of these into gel and catch one to see.



    Color me impressed. They sure as heck don't lack penetration, and while maybe a hollow point would have done a little more to the organs, this is certainly deer lethal.
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    That is impressive performance and good shooting on you part
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    Impressive results! Congrats!

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    Hand gun deer are fun! Good on you!
    Couldn't help but think of how close your load is to a 32-20 rifle ballistics. Killed deer just fine 150 years ago.
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    Way to go. Good placement trumps raw power (again)! A .454 Casull wouldn't have killed that deer any dead-er.

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    Thank you for the write up and excellent pictures.
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    way to go MSM!!!!!
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    I'm gonna tote my SBH along today and tomorrow. Big weather system coming and that often makes the deer frisky. Nice job there! And we can endlessly debate if a .357 is enough for deer.......
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    I want to thank you for sharing the hunt story and the results of the bullets destruction. Great detailed info as well on the load data. This is one of the great things about the guys on this forum, and the work we all do in load development and field work as well. i have a buddy who is on the fence about getting him a .327, this will probably seal the deal.

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    nice deer and great story!!!!!!
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    Great Post! Thanks for sharing.

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    Good shooting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by koger View Post
    I want to thank you for sharing the hunt story and the results of the bullets destruction. Great detailed info as well on the load data. This is one of the great things about the guys on this forum, and the work we all do in load development and field work as well. i have a buddy who is on the fence about getting him a .327, this will probably seal the deal.
    I'm not going to say the 327 federal is some kind of a powerhouse. It is not. It is perfectly suited for deer hunting though. Even if he doesn't load or cast, the Federal AE 100gr jacketed soft point at 1600 fps would be a great choice for deer. If he does load, I'd definitely look into cast. While I'm sure a 100gr XTP or Gold dot would work, they get whizzing fast out of these guns, and I'm not sure they have the integrity, being they are 32 H&R designs. There is a new Swift A-frame 100gr that would work well, but they are insanely expensive. As far as accuracy goes, my best results have been with heavier cast bullets, 130 to 150 grains. Cast nice and soft, they sure seem to do the trick.

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    I had no idea 327 had this potential! Thank you for sharing!

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    Congrats, deer down and ready for the pantry.

    Kept within their limitations it seems a lot of cartridges are easily deer worthy.
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    Congrats great post. Thank you!!

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    I've never thought of a 327 Fed as a deer hunting round but it seems that it worked great and you've done your homework. A hole through the lungs and heart of any size with multiple spots to leak from will almost always result in a recovery.

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    I’ve thought from its release that the 327 FM should make a good hunting round for medium to smaller big (deer class) game. You have apparently reinforced that belief. Thanks for sharing, especially in such detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCLouis View Post
    Congrats, deer down and ready for the pantry.

    Kept within their limitations it seems a lot of cartridges are easily deer worthy.
    Very true. I am especially guilty of being "over gunned" using the .308.

    There are a handful of people who poach deer in my area and the .22 gets the job done for most of them. I was at a friends house a couple of weeks ago and his nephew showed up for a drink before he going out to get a deer. He brought his "big gun"...a .22 Mag. Not condoning either the act of poaching, or having a drink before using a gun but that is the reality in many rural areas.
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