Accurate 2230 c uses?

[Larry Gibson]

AA2230 and AA2230c are two different powders.

[Tripplebeards]

From the Internet research I’ve been seeing its burn rate is between 2230 and 2460? Close enough to aa2460 to use its load data? I have three 8 pound jugs so I’ll have to put it to use. Hopefully I can find a more accurate load than I have so far in whelen. Don’t think I tried varget in it yet either.

[Larry Gibson]

From the Internet research I’ve been seeing its burn rate is between 2230 and 2460? Close enough to aa2460 to use its load data? I have three 8 pound jugs so I’ll have to put it to use. Hopefully I can find a more accurate load than I have so far in whelen. Don’t think I tried varget in it yet either.

Again, AA2230 is a different powder than AA2230c. The 2230c is compatible with 2460 data. AA2230 is not.

[jdgabbard]

I'm not familiar with 2230c, that may in fact be a different powder. But Ramshot X-Terminator and AA2230 are identical powders, both made by Western, and branded differently for Accurate and Ramshot. But are great powders, very close to H335 or WC844. Again, I can't speak for the 2230c, but if it is close to AA2460 then you could almost exchange data with 2230/Ramshot, H335 or WC844. Western's manual shows a 55gr FMJ-BT load of 22.6gr - 25.1gr. If you look at 2230 it is 22.4gr - 24.9gr, same for Ramshot.

In my opinion, how do you say potato? Because we're talking about basically the same thing...

[Larry Gibson]

"you could almost exchange data"

Good luck with that.......

[Hickok]

I used up an 8 pound jug recently on my AR's in .223/5.56,....a lot of rounds and a lot fun!

Just got some more, along with some IMR 8208XBR to try.

[Tripplebeards]

I would assume AA22460, 2460, and “standard A-2460” are all the same powder? I’m excited to see that it has a large range of calibers I can use it in. I’ve seen loads for 223, 243, 35 rem, 35 whelen, and 30-06 so far I can use it for.

[jdgabbard]

"you could almost exchange data"

Good luck with that.......

I'm just saying the recommended load data appears to be very, very close. I can't speak to the burn rates, but it appears all of them have suggested load data within a few tenths of a grain. It's not hard to extrapolate safe loads from that information. Which is something that is done pretty regularly. Remember "Russian Unique" that Jeff Bartlett used to sell? It was listed as having a similar burn rate to Unique, and people worked up safe loads with it. WC844, was listed as having similar burn rates similar to H335, we worked up safe loads based on that information, as well as lot to lot differences. This isn't uncommon. It may not be as safe as having proper pressure testing equipment, such as you have. But it's not uncommon.

If it has a similar burn rate to AA2460, that is very close to the same charges as 2230 from the data I have seen. I can't speak to what differences there are with the AA2230c, I've never seen load data for a 'c' variant... But don't take my word for it, here is the link to Western's load data, see pages 48 & 49: https://hodgdonpowderco.com/wp-conte...e8.0_WEB-1.pdf

[Larry Gibson]

Keep in mind the manuals of the last 10-20 years load the 223 to SAAMI Specs. Thus, there is a pretty good fudge factor for the cartridge as SAAMI MAPs are much lower than EVAP 5.56 specs. If you load to max 5.56 EVAP Pmax with 2460 or AA2230c and then decide to use the same load but with AA2230 or H335 I can guarantee you the pressures will be much higher than even EVAP standards. I have measured the pressures of such so unless you like high end 60K or 70K psi I recommend against doing so.

[jdgabbard]

Keep in mind the manuals of the last 10-20 years load the 223 to SAAMI Specs. Thus, there is a pretty good fudge factor for the cartridge as SAAMI MAPs are much lower than EVAP 5.56 specs. If you load to max 5.56 EVAP Pmax with 2460 or AA2230c and then decide to use the same load but with AA2230 or H335 I can guarantee you the pressures will be much higher than even EVAP standards. I have measured the pressures of such so unless you like high end 60K or 70K psi I recommend against doing so.

Yeah, I rarely load anything to max... Most of time I find the sweet spot about 1-1.5gr above minimum. I think my WC855 load for 5.56 is 23.5gr, as that is what weight my auto-disk will reliably drop, where my best groups are actually with 24.5gr with a Hornady 55gr FMJ-BT. But rather than get a new auto measure I just drop at the 23.5gr charge and truck on along.

I agree with you. I was just pointing out you can still work up some safe loads when you know what range the powder is in, and are willing to work up carefully.

[Tripplebeards]

Did some digging today and found in my stash an old load pamphlet I picked up in 02'.
I did read anything in the front yet to see if it references 2230-c data crossbow reference but I’ll read it tonight. Saw it had some 2640 data for 35 whelen. Looks like a grain less than what Hodgen recommends for a max 180 grain load. I also see that there is load data for 180 grain. 30-06 that gets me excited since I ended up with a bulk box of 180 grain round nose Seirras part number 2170. So 16 pounds of unopened powder...that I opened the other day to load up some whelen. The third 8 pound container only had a pound at max I tossed becuase it was contaminated. I am guessing thos powder must build pressure fast as the max load was listed at 45.8 grains for a HPBT at 2563 fps for 30-06. Also another listing for 41 grains max with a (L) “lead”180 grain RN at 2406 fps. Both load lists “to me” are not impressive max velocity numbers vs most modern 30-06 180 grain loads are round the 2700 fps “advertised” velocity.








I found an old Western powders paperback I picked up at the same time. Probably came from Scheels or Gander Mountain at the time. Just 35 whelen data and about the exact same as accurately 2002' data.

[oldhenry]

I have an unopened 8 lb. container of 2230-C that is at least 15 maybe 20 years old. On the left side of the label (under the bold print "2230-C") "A military surplus ball propellant that is slower than
Accurate 2230. Use 2230 load data."

On the right side of the label there is loading data for: .223 Rem., 7TCU, .30-30 Winchester & .308 Winchester.

I bought it specifically for the .223 with 55 gr. FMJ bullets & it shows a Start & Max load for that exact bullet.

After reading Tripplebeard's post below I recognized that my 8 lb. container of 2230-C is much older that the label from Tripplebeard's container: mine could be anywhere from 5-10 years older. Either they changed the make-up of the powder (unlikely) or they realized their mistake. I did some investigation outlined below.

Data printed on the label of my 2230-C container for a 55 gr FMJBT:
Starting load=23.4 gr. Max=26.0
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Hodgdon's web site: for Hornady's 55 gr. FMJBT
A2460; start load=22.6 gr. Max =25.1
A2230: start load+22.4 gr. Max=24.9

This tells me that the starting would have been OK, but Max load would not.

I imagine that all of you figured this out long ago. I'm a little slow on the uptake.

Henry

[Tripplebeards]

I found this a few years ago on accurate site. It's not there anymore. Saved a download of it.

I posted this a while back. It's the same as A-2460.

[405grain]

When a manufacturer says that their powder is the same as some other manufacturers different powder, don't trust it! I know that this thread is about A-2230 & A-2460, but a similar premise applies here. I had been loading up some 7mm TCU cartridges with a fairly mild load of A-1680, using the RCBS 7-145-Sil bullet. These were nowhere near top velocity or pressure. I bought an 8 pound jug of Shooters World Blackout, and it says right on the label that it's similar to 1680. I tried some out using identical load data to the A-1680 loads, and expected the same mild cartridge performance. Nope! Recoil was sharper and the primer was flat as a pancake. I spent last night pulling all the bullets and dumping the powder. Now I'll drop that load by 2 grains and start back up. Moral of the story: Just because a label or manual says it's the same doesn't mean it's the same. I just learned what we all already know; when you change powders start at the minimum charge and work up from there.

[Tall]

Green Dot is great for many pistol calibers. I use it in 38 WCF and 45 Colt and 44 Russian. Data is out there. It's a little slower than Unique and a little cleaner too. Very fluffy and fills the case well.

[racepres]

Green Dot is great for many pistol calibers. I use it in 38 WCF and 45 Colt and 44 Russian. Data is out there. It's a little slower than Unique and a little cleaner too. Very fluffy and fills the case well.

None of my Charts collaborate that

[Tripplebeards]

I have an 8 pound cardboard tube of green dot. Tried it with cast in both my 9mm and 10mm with great results. Finding green dot load data is almost impossible for most calibers. I asked members here for help with data for both of the above.

[ulav8r]

When a manufacturer says that their powder is the same as some other manufacturers different powder, don't trust it! I know that this thread is about A-2230 & A-2460, but a similar premise applies here. I had been loading up some 7mm TCU cartridges with a fairly mild load of A-1680, using the RCBS 7-145-Sil bullet. These were nowhere near top velocity or pressure. I bought an 8 pound jug of Shooters World Blackout, and it says right on the label that it's similar to 1680. I tried some out using identical load data to the A-1680 loads, and expected the same mild cartridge performance. Nope! Recoil was sharper and the primer was flat as a pancake. I spent last night pulling all the bullets and dumping the powder. Now I'll drop that load by 2 grains and start back up. Moral of the story: Just because a label or manual says it's the same doesn't mean it's the same. I just learned what we all already know; when you change powders start at the minimum charge and work up from there.

Similar does not equal same. One number different on a burning scale list does not equal same. Different burning scale lists may rate the same powder differently. Different lots of the same powder may not be equal. ALWAYS work up a load when changing lots or similar powders.

[racepres]

Similar does not equal same. One number different on a burning scale list does not equal same. Different burning scale lists may rate the same powder differently. Different lots of the same powder may not be equal. ALWAYS work up a load when changing lots or similar powders.

Note...I have Not found that "similar" nor "same" on the Rate Chart, equates to grain for grain replacement...But...I have Not tried them All!!!

[Larry Gibson]

Similar does not equal same. One number different on a burning scale list does not equal same. Different burning scale lists may rate the same powder differently. Different lots of the same powder may not be equal. ALWAYS work up a load when changing lots or similar powders.

Sage advise.........