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    As a practical matter they are already out of business as far a retail customers go. Along with the other powder manufacturers. Shipping logistics, raw material prices, labor availability along with wage escalation and covid mandates sure are convenient ways to throttle any industry, especially one as loathsome to the current administration as ammunition components. Let’s go Brandon….
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    Quote Originally Posted by nvbirdman View Post
    Hodgdon going out of business, but IMR will still be available? Did the guy know where the twin to his one remaining brain cell disappeared to?
    When I find gun stores that apparently don't know anything.. I leave them fast.. IMHO.. they are dangerous.

    IMR, Hodgdon, Winchester, Ramshot, Accurate, Goex, Blackhorn.... all from the same company..

    Dumb gun shops bother me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmorris View Post

    Don’t believe everything you hear at a LGS


    You are correct
    It's so sad when i walk into the average gun shop and I know more about what they are selling then they do....

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    Quote Originally Posted by starnbar View Post
    They haven't been across the Pacific they are waiting to get loaded from here.
    Now that makes even less sense.
    One problem at the ports is the stacks of empty containers that can't legally be moved because they belong to the shipping companies. That's part of the reason why so many loaded ships are backed up.
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    Treat things you hear at the local gun shop just as you would the headlines on the National Enquirer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSnover View Post
    Now that makes even less sense.
    One problem at the ports is the stacks of empty containers that can't legally be moved because they belong to the shipping companies. That's part of the reason why so many loaded ships are backed up.
    Interesting observation; but the shipping containers not in transit usually have a "Storage Fee" or demurrage penalty after a set period of time. If a backlog of shipping containers being returned to China were present/an issue; I would expect to see a reduction in the cost of said "Used" shipping containers on the market. If anything; I am seeing a few hundred dollar increase in those prices over the last 6-12 months,
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    This is not a new issue. The shipping problem started back with Trump and Covid. Between tariff manipulation and selective restrictions on imports, things started backing up. That started price increases and inflation. Now add in the socialist agendas and everyone wants more pay due to the inflation. So, we'll see more price increases and more inflation.

    Work slowdowns due to wage issues, Covid related personnel losses, and more people simply choosing other work means slower material flow.

    Interesting to note that Florida is going to try to get into the act and entice more shipping through their ports.

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    I just looked at hodgdon.. was going to order some powder.. I see 800x and imr blue listed as discontinued.

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    Hearing LGS information is like listening to Jen Psaki doing a news briefing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gibson View Post
    Rumor control one to secret squirrel two, over...........
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    I doubt that the big H is going out of business, but there are a lot of truths in many of the above statements, regarding inflation, haz mat, import regs, EPA regs.... this list goes on.
    I think most of us expect limited availability for a long time going forward, and higher prices due to many of the already mentioned causes.

    I am blessed with a good job, and not everyone is. So, while I could stock up some, and did I when things were available, I am no more that a couple years from being in a real bind.
    I too am running low on some components. Small Pistol primers to be exact..
    Some of my shooting friends, have lower incomes than I, and more bills, so they are in a really bad spot, and I feel bad for them.
    We are helping each other as we can, so we can all keep shooting, to some degree. Maybe not as much as we want to, but the guns will not go silent for a while at least..

    My biggest worry on this whole component, and ammo deal is that there are simply not as many players in this as there once was.
    The Big "H" owns about all the powder interests these days, and Vista owns almost everything, related to Primers now. CCI, Remington, and Federal brands..
    That leaves only Winchester as the other primer maker. The old saying of not having all your eggs in one basket seems to be appropriate in this discussion..
    We are but one, maybe two legal battles of some kind, or hostel buy outs / take overs, from being out of this game all together.

    I doubt we will ever see, any Wolf or Tula primers again, now that our sock puppet-in-chief, has banned Russian ammo from being imported.
    Even with a change in politics.... if that is even possible... I doubt the Russian ammo ban will ever be reversed. Slick Willie banned the China stuff over 20 years ago and there has been no improvement in that since, and we had 12 years of Republican occupation of the white house during this ban.

    Well I hate to be a part of the dooms day crowd, but that is the view I get while looking through the cloud of bullet lube smoke, and into my dusty, cob web covered crystal ball.

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    And don't forget, Trump expanded the Obama ban on Russian guns. So don't rely on the republicans to reverse things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starnbar View Post
    They haven't been across the Pacific they are waiting to get loaded from here.
    I can’t believe that, we don’t make much of anything here. Certainly not enough of anything to export.

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    My LGS down the road has only H-1000 and H-380 on the shelf, about 4 lbs. of each. Would buy the H-380 as a useful powder for what I shoot, BUT - $53 a pound!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSnover View Post
    Now that makes even less sense.
    One problem at the ports is the stacks of empty containers that can't legally be moved because they belong to the shipping companies. That's part of the reason why so many loaded ships are backed up.
    Google those ships you are seeing on the news take a look at the plimsoll lines on em those ships are EMPTY.

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    Official refutes figure
    Ships waiting off the coast of Southern California number in the dozens, not the thousands.

    Kip Louttit, executive director of the Marine Exchange of Southern California, told USA TODAY that, as of Sept. 21, there were 153 ships of all types at both the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach. Of those, 64 were at dock loading or unloading cargo, 60 were at anchor and 29 were adrift off the coast. There you go.

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    I have seen posted in another forum that Hodgdon's has closed down their packaging plant because they cannot get shipments from Australia unloaded in a timely manner. Workers have been furloughed until the start of 2022.

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    There are ships waiting going both ways, into & out of US ports.
    I know of examples from my place of work, 60+ days transit time on a ship across the pacific rather than 2 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnt Fingers View Post
    Treat things you hear at the local gun shop just as you would the headlines on the National Enquirer.
    well, how are you ever gonna know what's really going on without reading the National Enquirer

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmbif View Post
    well, how are you ever gonna know what's really going on without reading the National Enquirer
    You could just ask the Bat Boy, I'm sure he knows.
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