Ughh... The world is messed up.

[FLINTNFIRE]

I to think the bathroom incident was dope , have seen it a lot they go in together and get high , tweaking flailing or whatever they call it today , but I will not tolerate someone attempting to abuse someone I am with , kick their ass and the bartenders to if they are that big of a **** head they allow that in their bar .

I sit with back to bar and I watch the circus , leave me alone all is well , try to bully me or company I will not tolerate it . No carry in a bar here , but only need that if they escalate it .

The world is messed up and it is getting worse and it will be normal soon and the escalation of the impaired and behavioral challenged is going to be more frequent amongst polite society , as this world is headed to hell and rule by the beast .

[Gator 45/70]

Applebee's sounds like a rough place, Glad I don't go there, Are they not anti-gun ?

[Ithaca Gunner]

I'm too old for this stuff. Since they let in so many social members, I don't even go to the Legion or Vets anymore let alone a public house.

[farmbif]

yeah the world has become a crazy place.
it makes me remember an altercation I witnessed back in my drinking days. it started with words between two guys in the Waffle House which would fill up after the bars closed. then one guy smashed the others head with a ketchup bottle., it escalated and the two tustling broke though a big plate glass window. both were still going at each other in the broken glass when the cops showed up. they ended up hand cuffed in ambulances. but if that altercation would have happened today where everyone seems to have a need to carry a handgun with a double stacked magazine I can imagine several dead and dozens wounded.
but of course these days ketchup bottles are plastic

[bakerjw]

The guy was confused and she directed him to the bathroom. This wasn't a date but more like a daughter or grand daughter taking out their dad/grandpa. I believe that it is a case of mental illness or Alzheimer's.

Applebee's sounds like a rough place, Glad I don't go there, Are they not anti-gun ?

This particular Applebee's used to have a "No Firearms" sign. After Tennessee passed a law allowing the carrying of firearms into restaurants that serve alcohol as long as the person carrying does not drink, I contacted their corporate office and they immediately removed the sign. Still no signs there.

[Land Owner]

In gun friendly FL you do not carry to a bar. By law, that is illegal. Carry to a restaurant that has a bar, by law, is not. Nobody but nobody is slapping this old fart. By law, that confrontation should be construed as a threat of "deadly force" (against a senior enjoying a meal with family) and the display of a firearm in the Perp's face should be sufficient to quiet the situation under the law of Stand Your Ground here.

While I don't want it to happen, I would test the water in a similar situation and take the consequences.

[Gator 45/70]

In gun friendly FL you do not carry to a bar. By law, that is illegal. Carry to a restaurant that has a bar, by law, is not. Nobody but nobody is slapping this old fart. By law, that confrontation should be construed as a threat of "deadly force" (against a senior enjoying a meal with family) and the display of a firearm in the Perp's face should be sufficient to quiet the situation under the law of Stand Your Ground here.

While I don't want it to happen, I would test the water in a similar situation and take the consequences.

Sounds close to La. law, Take something like Texas Road House's lay-out, You can't carry inside the Zone
This would be the immediate area around the bar, Rest of the area where you eat is okay.
Better not even have 1/2 a beer, This will put you over the legal limit to C.C.

[JimB..]

I went up to the local bar to have a couple beers with friends. A dude I knew from out of town came up and was getting in my face so I told him not interested please leave. He slapped me. Then walked off. I told the bartender he needed to be removed because he was massively drunk but he was a buddy of the bartenders. Dude slapped me again and I told the bartender if he does it again violence is going to happen in your bar. Bartender still refused to remove him and kept serving him.

Dude went to slap me a third time so I grabbed his arm, yanked him forward off balance and broke it over the edge of the bar. Bartender called the cops on me saying I started it but 3/4 of the bar backed me when the cops showed and when the bar owner showed the bartender was fired for serving someone who should have been cut off and escorted out. Owner offered me some free drinks which I turned down. Told him I had taken care of the issue then he heard that I had broke the dudes arm. He laughed and said he had it coming(which he did, some people need to learn the meaning of NO).

Guy who's arm I broke came in a month later and apologized. He said he was way out of line and was in AA to stop drinking, he was letting it ruin his life and my breaking his arm drove that point home. Along with the 4 weeks in jail for assault for hitting me and drunk and disorderly...

I am a patient person, very hard to get my temper going but I do have a limit!

May I say that I am disappointed that another patron didn’t step up to help resolve this when the drunk first went hands on. Maybe I’m old fashioned, but striking someone is unacceptable.

[MaryB]

May I say that I am disappointed that another patron didn’t step up to help resolve this when the drunk first went hands on. Maybe I’m old fashioned, but striking someone is unacceptable.

Locals all know me, know I can handle most drunks... at 5'11" I am not tiny LOL and I spent a LOT of time on stock car pit crews growing up, learned to defend myself from the drunks on other crews(we never drank at the track, once we were parked for the night we would drink some beer), plus I drag raced for 4 years, Brainard International can be a rough place... If the dude would have grabbed me friends would have stepped in and handled it. Sheriff was parked behind the bar waiting for this dude to drive off, it would have been his 7th or 8th DUI, no license, no insurance... so jail time. So he got lucky he didn't drive, 4 weeks versus 2-5 years...

[blackthorn]

Just a thought----Some folks are more to be pitied than maligned. Around here, (before Covid) when we regularly went out for lunch several times a month, we often encountered people with disadvantages accompanied by a "handler" (for lack of a better description. Some of these poor souls have issues that can surface at any time and the handler will immediately intervene when one of his/her charges misbehaves. It is entirely possible this type situation was what you experienced. That said, I would be ready to react, just in case, (with force if necessary) in similar circumstances.

[Char-Gar]

There are many dysfunctional people in this country. We cannot avoid crossing paths with them from time to time. We need to understand it is they that have the problem and not us. We adopt their problem, when we let them get to us and now there are two people with the same problem. Not smart!

Addendum: A person who does not have control of his/her emotions, has no business carrying a gun anywhere.

[JoeJames]

In the 70's all or most of the residents of the state hospitals were released upon the general public. Since then you'd commit someone down there; they'd keep them a short time, get them all set on drugs and turn 'em back loose. They'd pat them and tell them to be sure and take your drugs every day. They'd come back and in a week or so they'd forget to take their drugs; then get committed again and again in a cycle. Typical liberal solution!

[shooterg]

Are you absolutely sure it wasn't Joe and Jill ?

[bob15]

I would have got up and kicked his lunch to the next planet , I will not tolerate someone who weirds out for no reason , the only reason people do stuff like that is drugs and or just plain bullies and bullies are cowards .

Along with people acting weird , have you noticed how they all drive now , forget turn signals and stop signs or lights , and a batch of bikers seemed to think the red means they are good to go and the green for me was wait for them , well does not happen I drive right through as its my light and move your bike .

Do not tolerate stupid , or entitled .

There are things called mental issues. Heck, the man could be suffering from PTSD or any of dozen different mental illnesses. To say it was caused by drugs or he is a coward/bully is just plain wrong.

As for the lack of using a turn signal and lights....where have you been the past 30 years. People weren't using signal lights 30 years ago and it's no different today.

[FLINTNFIRE]

There are things called mental issues. Heck, the man could be suffering from PTSD or any of dozen different mental illnesses. To say it was caused by drugs or he is a coward/bully is just plain wrong.

As for the lack of using a turn signal and lights....where have you been the past 30 years. People weren't using signal lights 30 years ago and it's no different today.

No he sounds more like a druggie and a weirdo with a streak of bully , been driving for longer then 30 years and it seems in the last 5-10 is when people stopped using turn signals , most of the people I have run into with mental issues got them from their drug use and then they get SSI to boot , paid for their own stupidity , ptsd some do have it a whole lot more claim to have it most who have lived through life get on with living and ask no special favors or pity from no one .

[MUSTANG]

Both PTSD and Back Injuries are amongst the most ABUSED medical conditions in the USA. Both are true conditions that negatively impact some people; BUT... are not in most cases provable one way or another, simply knowing what to tell a Doctor about your "Condition" results in a positive diagnosis. This is why the numbers of cases of PTSD and Back Injuries are rampant in the US; and of course Public Assistance monies follow the diagnosis.

Same applies to many others; but... tailored to post #35 above.

[JimB..]

Both PTSD and Back Injuries are amongst the most ABUSED medical conditions in the USA. Both are true conditions that negatively impact some people; BUT... are not in most cases provable one way or another, simply knowing what to tell a Doctor about your "Condition" results in a positive diagnosis. This is why the numbers of cases of PTSD and Back Injuries are rampant in the US; and of course Public Assistance monies follow the diagnosis.

Same applies to many others; but... tailored to post #35 above.

I have a back problem, have for decades, where do I sign up for some free money, and can I get back pay for the past 38 years?

[elmacgyver0]

I have a back problem, have for decades, where do I sign up for some free money, and can I get back pay for the past 38 years?

I'm sure you can, if you find the right lawyer.

[MaryB]

Both PTSD and Back Injuries are amongst the most ABUSED medical conditions in the USA. Both are true conditions that negatively impact some people; BUT... are not in most cases provable one way or another, simply knowing what to tell a Doctor about your "Condition" results in a positive diagnosis. This is why the numbers of cases of PTSD and Back Injuries are rampant in the US; and of course Public Assistance monies follow the diagnosis.

Same applies to many others; but... tailored to post #35 above.

Back injuries ARE provable.. I have 9 MRI's and multiple CT scans to prove it... I was told I would be in a wheelchair by 2010... now 2021 and I still hunt and shoot(not as much as I used to but part of that is age related slowing me down arthritis). But I am stubborn and bet the doc I wouldn't. 1 years free medical care. He paid up.