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[megasupermagnum]

OMG!!!! You mean you expect RULES? You see, evidently it isn't the same as racing where rules are mostly ok...till money talks. It's ok if your ox gets gored, you just aren't supposed to object. You must be tolerant and obliging to those who usurped primitive seasons and do so with a smile on your face. After all, it's now legal.

Not a lot different from those shooting a scoped in line who wanted to enter rendezvous matches. They didn't like it when they were told no, got mad, took their toy and went home whining when the match organizers held their ground. Unlike most money hungry game departments that emasculated primitive seasons.

Why can't I use a 50 BMG cartridge, single shot rifle during rifle season? It's centerfire, shoots a single projectile and can be shoulder fired. Better yet, a 20mm, they oughta be legal. I guess it's the ELITISTS keeping me from using one as they're restricting what I want to use. Why do some states restrict areas to shotgun only? Those pesky elitists again I suppose. They're restricting what a lot of guys want to use.

In what state can you not use a 50 BMG for hunting? It's legal around here, why wouldn't it be?

I am 100% against "shotgun only" areas. They are dumb no matter how you cut it. First of all, half the "shotgun only" areas don't even let you use buckshot, so really it is slug only. Maybe back in 1962 that meant something, but now in 2021, it's a joke. Shotguns and slugs have at least doubled their range, more like tripled, and every "shotgun only" area I know of also allows "handguns" which include the TC Encore and Contender. You can legally shoot an 18" barrel Encore in 308 winchester, as long as it has a pistol grip. It's kind of ungainly, but such a setup still can shoot accurately out to 300 yards, more if you practiced. I want to see every "shotgun only" zone eliminated completely, as well as allowing buckshot in shotguns.

Your argument is ridiculous. Muzzleloader seasons have not been reduced as new cheaper guns have been developed, they have only been increased. Muzzleloader season is no different than bow season in their purpose. Bow seasons as well have only expanded since compound's have came into use. If anything, an inline muzzleloader has more in common with a flintlock, than a compound bow does with a longbow.

[mooman76]

50 BMG not legal to hunt with here.

[sharps4590]

mega, obviously you are ignorant of a great number of states regs. You van't use a 50 BMG in Iowa, Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, parts of Michigan and I believe parts of Wisconsin. You're also oblivious to what used to be muzzleloading season in Missouri. I was there when it was implemented as a traditional muzzleloading season so those who chose could experience muzzleloaders the way the pioneers of Missouri did. It had nothing to do with atlatl's, bows, spears, scoped in-lines or anything else. It was for traditional muzzleloaders. As has been pointed out, Missouri no longer has a muzzleloading season and it isn't even called such. Not when you can use AR and AK pistols or Contenders or smokeless revolvers. 'Course I never gave MDC any points for understanding ballistics in the first place.

So, with all due respect, you have much to learn about seasons in various states, as do I. My argument is valid, yours is based on ignorance and is false as well as ridiculous.

[Sasquatch-1]

Simple solution would be the use of loose powder and patched round ball during primitive seasons. If the inliners want to load loose powder and round ball then they would be welcome.

[megasupermagnum]

I want to extend seasons that you can use traditional muzzleloaders in. What part of that is ignorant and ridiculous?

No I don't memorize all 50 states specific regulations. I can't even memorize one state. You can use a 50 BMG in Wisconsin, they hardly have any unneeded requirements. There's special seasons/zones, but if you can use a rifle, you can have it in 50 BMG if you want.

I'm not even going to bother with Illinois, I wouldn't hunt there if you paid me.

You can hunt with a 50 BMG in Michigan in the rifle zone. " It is legal to hunt deer north of the limited firearm deer zone with any caliber of firearm except a .22-caliber or smaller rimfire (rifle or handgun)"

As far as I know, Iowa doesn't have rifle hunting, only the "straight wall" cartridge's along with the shotguns.

Ohio, same thing, rifles not legal.

Indiana has some kind of bogus thing going on. For mere peasants, no rifles at all. For big landowners, you can use a short list of calibers, and you are correct, 50 BMG did not make the cut.

Missouri, I almost don't want to say this, but I think you are wrong about your own state. I've been looking up and down the regulations, and can't seem to find any caliber regulations at all for your November deer firearms season, other than no rimfire. "Centerfire pistols, revolvers or rifles using expanding-type bullets; legal ammunition includes lead bullets, copper bullets and bullets made of other material designed to expand."

I'm looking through every exclusions in there, looking online, looking through Missouri deer forums, nothing. I'm afraid you are wrong, you can deer hunt with a 50 BMG in Missouri.

And to your south I found Oklahoma, 50 BMG is legal "Centerfire rifles firing at least a 55-grain weight soft-nosed or hollow-point bullet"

Arkansas says most centerfire rifles are legal, with a list of exceptions. 50 BMG is not on the list, and is legal.

You really have to try hard to find states you can't use a 50 BMG on deer.

[sharps4590]

Muzzleloading season as a stand alone season has been eliminated in a lot of states. Whatever.....there still isn't going to be any inlines, crossbows or compound bows on this property as long as I own it, regardless of what is legal in what state. My place, my rules, discussion closed...purist that I am because there is certainly nothing elite about me.

No, it isn't difficult to find a state where 50 BMG is illegal....the point was there's a reg. and few, if any, object to it.

[megasupermagnum]

So object to it. It's looking like Missouri is one of the few states with a pathetic primative season. What you do on your land, nobody cares. You could require custom built rifles for all I care. Trying to force the rest of the state to use one thing is elitist, but you don't seem to be for that I hope. You can expand seasons without restricting others. It doesn't have to be an either/or conundrum. I have no business in Missouri, but if I was, I'd be wanting to expand that "alternatives" seasons to at least 4 weeks. Personally I think it is fantastic a state is allowing deer hunting with Atlatl.