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[country gent]

Ohio initiated a "straight walled " rifle class to the gun season which includes the BPCR cartridges. Im all for it. But it also includes smokless powder cartridges but each their own there.

I believe that the addition will make some hunters more humane taking deer, before with shotguns handguns and muzzleloaders, some were handgun hunting that werent quite up to the task.

My issue is when they allow the modern in lines during our primitive weapons season During gun season is fine but primitive should be the traditional of our fore fathers just like crossbows during archery season.

[Hossfly]

Louisiana just calls it primitive weapon season. We got too many deer here. About 1/4 million killed by hunters, and about the same by automobiles.

[sharps4590]

I don't worry about what anyone hunts with nor do I care. MDC has their rules, I have mine. Mine are a lot more simple...

[echo154]

Sorry Guys was tied up with medical issues.......not sure on what I did (not computer literate) my question was as to what the general thought was as to allowing BPCR for deer (and other game). Illinois is rather anti gun to begin with but I don't see why modern inline are OK but BPCR are not.

[Sasquatch-1]

Sorry Guys was tied up with medical issues.......not sure on what I did (not computer literate) my question was as to what the general thought was as to allowing BPCR for deer (and other game). Illinois is rather anti gun to begin with but I don't see why modern inline are OK but BPCR are not.

Not to sound nasty or anything like that, but what it sounds like you are saying, "OK, you are allowing in-lines that use hotter primers, straight line ignition and copper jacketed bullets hunt in primitive season, why can't I use the same thing in a metallic case?" Then the guys who shoot high power center fire will say, "you're letting these guys with black powder cartridge guns hunt during that season, why can't we?"

I still say leave the primitive season to the traditional style sidelock and earlier.

BTW, I hope you are doing better.

[mooman76]

IL doesn't really have a primitive season and they also do not allow centerfire rifles either.

[TyGuy]

I fall into the camp of less restrictions are better than more. The herd needs to be managed in a way that is best for both the deer themselves and the people who now live along with them. That said, I think that whatever method you choose to use should be a personal call. Use what you are confident you can get a clean kill with.

Some have said that it’s their property and their rules. It’s hard to argue with that. I know folks who will not allow guest hunters to shoot bucks. Others do not allow does or yearlings to be taken. Just like asking guests to take their shoes off at the door. Some folks get bent out of shape about it but they are not the ones who paid for the floors and take the time to clean them. However, I think that’s an entirely different conversation than this thread was meant to be.

People bring up the issue of crossbow use during archery season. I personally used a recurve until I injured my shoulders at work. I could have used a compound but chose to be traditional. Now in my mid 30s I can’t pull it back anymore and I hate that, but it is what it is. I will use a crossbow and don’t care who thinks “it’s cheating”. Most of those I hear crabbing about it don’t even bow hunt so their opinion is irrelevant.

Department of conservation will set the seasons and we can choose to use the methods we like within their parameters. As long as folks are abiding by the same rules I am subjected to, who am I to dictate how others hunt?

[megasupermagnum]

Sorry Guys was tied up with medical issues.......not sure on what I did (not computer literate) my question was as to what the general thought was as to allowing BPCR for deer (and other game). Illinois is rather anti gun to begin with but I don't see why modern inline are OK but BPCR are not.

Ok, in that case, absolutely not. An inline muzzleloader is still a muzzleloader. If you put a 1:28 twist, shallow rifling barrel on a TC Hawken, you would have the exact same thing, just a different look.

What I am in support of is lengthening the seasons. Firearms, which is where you could shoot a BPCR, should be longer in a lot of northern states. In Minnesota for example, the firearms season should be 3 weeks statewide. Currently it is only the far north that gets 3 weeks, everyone else gets 9 days. Along with that, I want the muzzleloader tag to be legal during the firearms season (while using a muzzleloader to hunt), as well as extending the muzzleloader only season through December, to end on the same day bow season ends.

South Dakota, where I live now, I think has the seasons pretty well perfect. I would like to see the muzzleloader tag legal during the firearms season.

[JohnH]

I fail to see how a guy hunting from a tree stand with a break open inline with a scope on it dressed in modern camo lined with thinsulate, wearing battery powered socks and dousing himself in sent killer has anything to do with someone 40-60 acres or 100 or more miles away wearing wool long john's, buck skins and moccasins with a traditional flint or caplock rifle.

Now the interesting thing is this, those ancestors we might emulate, just as soon as flintlocks became available, abandoned the match and wheel lock. As soon as percussion caps became available they shed those flintlocks and replaced them with percussion guns, and as soon as cartridge guns came out they shed those percussion guns and as soon as smokeless powder came out they shed black. If we follow our ancestors lead, we'd never go back to "traditional muzzleloaders" as the real tradition our ancestors passed on was to continue to advance technology. If someone wants to traipse through the woods wearing traditional buckskins, wearing moccasins a coonskin cap sportin' a Kentucky Rifle. Cool!!! But just because that's one persons dream hunt don't make it another's. So long as people are doing what is legal for them to do, the rest of us should mind our own business and do all we can do to make our own hunt the most it can be for ourselves.

[Nobade]

IL doesn't really have a primitive season and they also do not allow centerfire rifles either.

I wonder what they would think of my Vetterli shooting rimfire ammo?
I don't think I'll go find out, someone else can do that.

[rbuck351]

Would you restrict Brownings harmonica rifle built in about 1840. It's neither a muzzleloader, sidelock or single shot but it is a primitive percussion rifle. No matter what you call the special season, each state will have a set of rules to follow for it. Many seem to have to game the system. If I take my 30/06 and load the chamber with a charged case and push a rifling engraved bullet down the barrel can I use it in a muzzle loader season? Can use Brownings 5 shot harmonica rifle in a primitive hunt?
Part of the reason for not allowing a BPCR would probably be multi shot lever rifles in some fairly stout BP cartridges.

[Edward]

I still call anyone who restricts hunting with their definition of primitive (ELETIST) ! If its legal use it and you can walk with a rock (PRIMITIVE) /Ed

[sharps4590]

If you could spell it.

[JimB..]

Hmm for this question the answer is almost certainly 42

[Nobade]

Hmm for this question the answer is almost certainly 42

Undoubtedly.

[Tar Heel]

Allowance of the use of inline arms with scopes, white powder, lasers, radar, shotgun primers, and all the rest of that mess ERODES THE INTENT of the primitive weapon season. Let's get some tradition here and STOP saying "anything goes". Learn to say NO.

Keep the season primitive with flintlock or caplock muzzleloading firearms. Keep the season primitive with longbow.

Look what has happened to NASCAR and the NHRA. If you don't have 15 million dollars, 5 cars, 74 sponsors, and 3 drivers - you don't race. Look what happened to the IPSC, IDPA, USPSA, SASS, CAS, and and other shooting sports organizations. Go pro or go home. Let's keep the primitive season PRIMITIVE. Send the inline stuff packing. That's my vote!

42

[444ttd]

Allowance of the use of inline arms with scopes, white powder, lasers, radar, shotgun primers, and all the rest of that mess ERODES THE INTENT of the primitive weapon season. Let's get some tradition here and STOP saying "anything goes". Learn to say NO.

Keep the season primitive with flintlock or caplock muzzleloading firearms. Keep the season primitive with longbow.

Look what has happened to NASCAR and the NHRA. If you don't have 15 million dollars, 5 cars, 74 sponsors, and 3 drivers - you don't race. Look what happened to the IPSC, IDPA, USPSA, SASS, CAS, and and other shooting sports organizations. Go pro or go home. Let's keep the primitive season PRIMITIVE. Send the inline stuff packing. That's my vote!

42

me too!!!!

[sharps4590]

OMG!!!! You mean you expect RULES? You see, evidently it isn't the same as racing where rules are mostly ok...till money talks. It's ok if your ox gets gored, you just aren't supposed to object. You must be tolerant and obliging to those who usurped primitive seasons and do so with a smile on your face. After all, it's now legal.

Not a lot different from those shooting a scoped in line who wanted to enter rendezvous matches. They didn't like it when they were told no, got mad, took their toy and went home whining when the match organizers held their ground. Unlike most money hungry game departments that emasculated primitive seasons.

Why can't I use a 50 BMG cartridge, single shot rifle during rifle season? It's centerfire, shoots a single projectile and can be shoulder fired. Better yet, a 20mm, they oughta be legal. I guess it's the ELITISTS keeping me from using one as they're restricting what I want to use. Why do some states restrict areas to shotgun only? Those pesky elitists again I suppose. They're restricting what a lot of guys want to use.

[TyGuy]

Why can't I use a 50 BMG cartridge, single shot rifle during rifle season? It's centerfire, shoots a single projectile and can be shoulder fired. Better yet, a 20mm, they oughta be legal.

Technically speaking, MDC does not specifically list a maximum caliber for deer hunting. The 20mm may be out due to it’s status as a DD but from what I have read the 50 BMG is legal. Not that I think anyone in their right mind should partake in those types of shenanigans. Just saying that if it’s not listed as prohibited then it’s legally on the table.

If the rules say inlines are ok then use them if you want. If you prefer to go the traditional route why not try your hand at the atlatl? It’s specifically listed as an acceptable method! Haha!

I agree that inlines are a silly thing to include in a muzzleloader season. However, here in MO it’s not called “muzzleloader season” anymore. It’s Alternative Methods season and is basically open to anything but rifles and shotguns. There was even a memo published online from MDC clarifying that AR pistols were acceptable. If they want to prevent people from using certain methods they will change the rules. Until then, hunt however makes you happy within those rules.

[Tar Heel]

I agree that inlines are a silly thing to include in a muzzleloader season. However, here in MO it’s not called “muzzleloader season” anymore. It’s Alternative Methods season and is basically open to anything but rifles and shotguns.

Well since there are no longer Men/Women, Boys/Girls, Male/Female and anything goes, why not right? I filled out a survey form today from MidwayUSA (their agent) and it wanted to know my gender. Of the dozen or so potential selections I chose "Other". I then filled in the blank with "Penis attached at birth."