Pbs!

[echo154]

I had an epiphany while watching newbies getting ready to go out.hunting, they both had ultra modern in line ML. boasting about 1500fps. they are using saboted30to338 caliber projtiles. the weapons have the same range and lethality as modern hi powered rifle.
it seem that this of us who wish to shoot in the historical manner of our fathers,fathers and even the fathers should be reasonabley allowed the same consideration.
Most of us take great pride in making our own bullet and fitting them into a match trimmed car and precise loads of black power. we then spend hours at the range learning bulletplacement ( wind, humidity,uphill or down and heat shimmers).
The projectile are soft lead and quickly slow, if not stop inside the animal.
its also a proven fact that far more hunters are hurt from heart problems, or people with bows or shotguns'



BP cartridge hunters get one shot so we make sure its a good shot. its not like we are millions of wealthy out of stater buy up leases so they can party and tear up the land.
I enjoy fishing, hunting and foreaging for wild edibles, I am very patient and respectful
try writing you senater, congress....heck why not uncle JO






I Believe its time to let our diligent hunters to use any BP cartridge original used for the appropriate game with BP loads

[Sasquatch-1]

Your poll question was cut off and I am not exactly sure what you are asking.

As for primitive seasons I here a few states are removing the inlines from participation and only allowing traditional style locks.

Also, I believe muzzle loading seasons should be just that.

[GregLaROCHE]

I don’t think inlines should be allowed for hunting during times reserved for primitive type arms. They aren’t primitive.

[444ttd]

its been about 10 years since i shot inlines and sabots. i believe it was wolf inline(2 of them) that got me started. i gave both of the wolf's to my sons' and i got tc encore 50 cal. i used it for only one year and i put it in the safe. i have a flintlock cva hawkens in 50 cal but i forgot i needed patches, so i have ordered them. i was going to use .429" 255gr keith and a sabot in my cva, but i think i won't pollute cva with sabot. so i'll use the encore.

i know i'm cheap, but i won't sacrifice $30/box for pyrodex pellets(50gr). $12 per 100 pcs of cci 209 primers was a shock to me, but i still bought them at a lgs. i'll use goex 2f instead of pellets.

i use the cva with prb. it don't like maxi balls.

[Nobade]

So are you saying you want to use your BPCR during primitive hunts? Mississippi does that already, I think they are just trying to get rid of more deer. Why not just use it during rifle season?

[flatsguide]

This is really a sore spot for me. Inline ignition, scopes , white powder, BPCR’s and sabot loads are not in the spirit of traditional/primitive season hunts, and were not fore seen when the primitive/traditional seasons were enacted. Matchlock, wheel lock, flintlock and cap-lock only. Any ignition source used prior to 1840. Rifles and guns(Fowlers) patched roundball or buckshot only. Iron sights only. No caplocks modified to use modern primers. No sabot’s. No cartridge rifles. No jacketed bullets. No breech loading, muzzleloading only. “primitive “ rifle now, are modern rifles just lacking the brass case. Use them in regular season.
Cheers Richard

[megasupermagnum]

I say live and let live. The only stipulation I ask is that the muzzleloader only season is for only guns that load from the muzzle. I might be convinced of one exception for a cap and ball revolver, but that's it. Beyond that, I don't care one iota if you shoot a Knight bolt muzzleloader, or a hand crafted longrifle. I do not care one bit what sights you use. Rifle scopes existed pre 1840. If you can't mount a Leupold to your muzzleloader, then you shouldn't be allowed to use a steel barrel either. You can't allow patched round balls, which is a saboted bullet, and not allow a "saboted bullet". As for cartridge rifles in the muzzleloader season, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I understand what some of you are saying, but no, I will never, ever support restricting muzzleloader ignition types. Not one person is going to stop you from hunting with your hand built muzzleloader. As long as you have a muzzleloader season, restricting other's choices is nothing but being elitist.

[sharps4590]

Not directed toward anyone, period. This has been my stance since the first in-line I saw.

My property, my rules, no in-lines, no scopes. Simple. Don't like the rules that's fine, I don't remember "you, whoever you is", being invited. If that makes me an elitist, well, that's one person's opinion. Many others call it "traditionalist."

I've hunted with BPC rifles for close on to 35 years. As far as allowing them in a primitive season....I don't think so. I've used mine during regular deer, elk, bear, antelope, hog season since I've owned one and have enjoyed it immensely. Muzzleloading season should be for muzzleloaders, traditional muzzleloaders.

[Edward]

Just what's needed more Traditional (Elitist's) policing the hunt ,lets make it harder for newbies to have interest much less get involved . We don"t have enough liberals choking our sport ,lets choke each other ! I've seen it happen with bows (no compounds says the stik bow shooter (I am) but don't harass the new guy that might enjoy shooting the newest version of training wheels . I shot stik bows for 35-40 yrs till I couldn't and then came Mathews . If it's legal let it go and shoot exactly what you like ,chances are I wouldn't ask to hunt any place owned by liberals or opiniated land owners as I tend to avoid both! /Ed

[bedbugbilly]

I'm a bit confused in what you are asking as well - especially with your answer selections.

"quality of meet" . . . are you talking about meeting nice folks in the woods?

I have been shooting BP nigh on to 60 years and am a "traditionalist" . . . but to each his own . . . it someone wants to use an inline - more power to 'em . . . it's their choice . . . it's called freedom.

Every state has their own regulations and if you hunt in those states . . . you play by the rules. I have no issue with someone hunting with a black powder csrtridge rifle . . . I load and shoot a lot of black powder cartridges. If their state allows it . . . go for it.

As far as contacting politicians . . . . that's a personal choice but I have about as much use for politicians as I do three legged goats. Contact "Uncle Joe" as you suggest? He doesn't even know what state he is in but you could contact his sidekick . . . if anyone knows where she is.

As I said . . . . every state has their own regulations . . . personally I would prefer that during primitive season the in-lines not be allowed . . . let 'em be used during regular gun season . . . but that[s just me and I'm sure that each state has their reasons for doing things the way they do. If in-lines get more e people into shooting BP and it possibly leads them to wanting to try a traditional rifle - then that's what it's all about.

Through the years, I have seen far too many folks look down their nose at people who shoot in-lomes. Most would rather bad mouth them than carry on a decent conversation with them, let them shoot their traditional rifles and try to win them over to getting a flint or a percussion cap rifle. And through all the years I have been shooting . . . I have seen many who claim to be "traditional shooters" - they carry an entire sporting goods store in their hunting pouches, utilize all the latest gimmicks, carry plastic ramrods and wouldn't know how to cast in a bag mold using a bag ladle over wood coals nor how to trim a sprue off with a bag mold . . . so everything is in the eyes of the beholder as tp the definition of "traditional". Everyone is different in their likes and dislikes and overall, I think most states do a pretty good job of making it so a majority can enjoy a hunting season.

[ascast]

please repost your question ( s ) so it makes sense.

[leadhead]

In Pa., you have to use flintlock rifles in muzzle loading season. No caplocks.
leadhead

[sharps4590]

I own about 40 acres so the number of hunters is self limiting. Within less than 20 miles of me is Mark Twain Natl. Forest. I'm not preventing anyone from using their in-line or their interest in them. They just aren't using it on my PRIVATE property for hunting. Same goes for compounds and crossguns during archery season. It was that way on my old farm when compounds came out in the mid-70's and it's that way now on my significantly reduced acreage. If there is/was a health reason, that is entirely different. Anyone doesn't like it, let me buy you a beer to cry in. I paid the purchase price, the taxes and insurance, my place, my rules. If that makes me an elitist in the eyes of some....I can only assume you are a border line socialist who doesn't respect private property rights. You want ME to abide by YOUR beliefs on MY private property Just like my speech is free only as long as it agrees with yours? Ain't happenin'. You don't put a Formula 1 car in a vintage sports car race and no one fusses about that. They're both cars, they both have 4 wheels, brakes, an engine and have to be driven. Must be those elitists at work again rather than simple rules set by those who sanction the race. What's the difference?

[freakonaleash]

I got over worrying about what other people hunt with 30 years ago.

[444ttd]

In Pa., you have to use flintlock rifles in muzzle loading season. No caplocks.
leadhead

you have two muzzleloader seasons in PA. one is early muzzleloader doe season and it is flints, caplocks and inlines. the other is flintlock season, which is only for flintlocks and you can shoot either a buck(if you don't have a archery or regular tag already filled out) or a doe.

i haven't had a inline for about 10+ years. i like to use my flintlock and prb, but this year i forgot patches(ordered them, .015" i can't get locally) so i'll use my encore inline and a .429" 280gr wfn and sabot with 2f.

personally, i like the flintlock season. the "primitive" season, it sure ain't. pyrodex pellets, sabots, breech plugs, fiber optic sights are just some of them used in the flintlock season. i use fiber optic sights on my flintlock because i don't see well anymore, whoops. inlines, to me, are just single shot rifles without the brass. yes, they are fun and they generate alot of money...but it ain't no flintlock.

maybe i'm gettin old but i love flintlocks. caplocks and inlines are fine by me, but not to some. if you go onto private property and the owner hates/bans inlines buts they are ok with flints or caps, then its time to put your inline away and bring out the flints/caps.

[megasupermagnum]

Geeze, nobody said anything about what you allow on your own land. Did they? Or am I wrong? What is this thread even really about? Echo154, your poll makes no sense, and this thread is vague.

[mooman76]

I think I understand what you are getting at but IL doesn't even have a real ML season now. They have a season where they Allow MLs for hunting. Every state is different and has it's own needs so you can't really have a blanket ML season that is the same for all states. I've lived in allot of different states over the years and can see their reasons for the differences. Some people tend to think that ML seasons or made to bring back heritage and that actually may hold true for some states but is not necessarily fact for all states. Il does not have a CF rifle season but I think they should loosen up and maybe allow it with straight walled cartridges or lower powered CF rifles such as 30-30.

[Texas by God]

I wish that TP&W would just give us a week long antlerless only ML season for deer after the regular season ends in January. I've only killed two deer with muzzleloaders; one with the $100 CVA .50 caliber Blazer( technically an inline haha) and my .54 Lyman Plains Pistol( 8 point buck @40 feet- so exciting!) Both during regular gun season.

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[indian joe]

Just what's needed more Traditional (Elitist's) policing the hunt ,lets make it harder for newbies to have interest much less get involved . We don"t have enough liberals choking our sport ,lets choke each other ! I've seen it happen with bows (no compounds says the stik bow shooter (I am) but don't harass the new guy that might enjoy shooting the newest version of training wheels . I shot stik bows for 35-40 yrs till I couldn't and then came Mathews . If it's legal let it go and shoot exactly what you like ,chances are I wouldn't ask to hunt any place owned by liberals or opiniated land owners as I tend to avoid both! /Ed

Just an observer here - seems to me the original idea was an extra period (week ?) open season for muzzleloader shooters while game was relatively undisturbed - a hard fought concession intended for traditional old time firearms - then whoopee! we got an extra week says all the high power smokeless boys how can we bend the rules here - ahh I know lets make a modern smokeless style gun with scope and all, but the rules sez we gotta put the powder in from the wrong end - these inline abominations would never have come into existence for any other reason than to skirt the rules for muzzleloader season --- yeah ok call me all kinds of elitist - i really dont care - inlines belong in the same garbage bin as tacticool wannabe lever gunz ............................

[toot]

yes cut off. no vote. on what I cant see, or read.