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Thread: Anybody hunt with a .45 ACP or have hunting loads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastdadio View Post
    ^^^ This ^^^
    Then Mi. rules go on to list a min-max allowable case length. The 45acp is below the minimum length, which is why it is not allowed for hunting.
    Unless I am very mistaken wasn't that pertaining to straight wall rifle cartridges?
    We Know Mass Cannot Be Weighed But It Has Newtonian Weight And That Is Derived From Kilograms And Kilograms Can Be Converted to Pounds. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed. But How is the kilograms obtained? Can Kilograms Be Weighed? Evidentally Yes It Can. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed So Kilograms Must Not Exist. Funny Isn't It.
    One good thing out of this the next time I'm at the doctors and they want to weigh me I'll tell them mass cannot be weighed.

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    "• A .35-caliber or larger rifle loaded with straight-walled cartridges with a
    minimum case length of 1.16 inches and a maximum case length of 1.80
    inches."
    We Know Mass Cannot Be Weighed But It Has Newtonian Weight And That Is Derived From Kilograms And Kilograms Can Be Converted to Pounds. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed. But How is the kilograms obtained? Can Kilograms Be Weighed? Evidentally Yes It Can. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed So Kilograms Must Not Exist. Funny Isn't It.
    One good thing out of this the next time I'm at the doctors and they want to weigh me I'll tell them mass cannot be weighed.

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    Shot a large doe with a 45acp years ago, before I started casting, with a 200grain XTP @ 1000fps out of a series 70. Shot was about 25 yards, HP failed to open but shot placement was good. She went about 30 yards before rolling over all four feet up in the air, I kid you not. After that failure to open I moved to a softer gold dot for EDC.

    I live in MI and have never heard of 45acp being not allowed, or not considered a straight walled cartridge.

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    It is a straight case. It is not necked .
    But with that being said ANYONE that was going to hunt with a Caliber, Firearm or Ammo there may be a question about it would be edifying to contact the Government office controlling regulation and definitions on terminology to get an official definition. That is what I would do in case I came into contact with a hotshot Game Warden that thought he knew it all.
    We Know Mass Cannot Be Weighed But It Has Newtonian Weight And That Is Derived From Kilograms And Kilograms Can Be Converted to Pounds. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed. But How is the kilograms obtained? Can Kilograms Be Weighed? Evidentally Yes It Can. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed So Kilograms Must Not Exist. Funny Isn't It.
    One good thing out of this the next time I'm at the doctors and they want to weigh me I'll tell them mass cannot be weighed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44MAG#1 View Post
    Unless I am very mistaken wasn't that pertaining to straight wall rifle cartridges?
    You know, I was thinking the very same thing as I was typing that. confusing ain't it. I'm just too lazy to go and look it up. The way I see it, this is a Mi. specific rule being discussed on a national board and I personally have no intention of hunting with my 1911. I have better hand guns for the the task. Those who are directly affected by this ruling need to do their own home work. I'll just bow out of this one.
    Carry on guys.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjwcaster View Post
    Pretty broad,uninformed and incorrect statement.
    Poster originally built the 45 high point for Ohio.

    Page 9 Ohio DNR hunting REGS-

    : With a 5-inch minimum length barrel, using straight-walled cartridges .357 caliber or larger. The barrel is measured from the front of the cylinder or chamber to the end of the barrel.

    Michigan looks more confusing, but still legal except possibly magazine capacity, an easy fix.

    2021 MI DNR REGS

    Limited firearm zone (P.50)

    A conventional (smokeless powder) handgun must be .35-caliber or larger and
    loaded with straight-walled cartridges and may be single- or multiple-shot but cannot exceed a maximum capacity of nine rounds in the barrel and magazine combined.

    North of the limited zone (P.51)

    It is legal to hunt deer north of the limited firearm deer zone with any caliber of firearm except a .22-caliber or smaller rimfire (rifle or handgun).

    This is why itís important to READ the applicable regs for a particular area, especially since things have changed a lot in the past years.

    A 45 semi auto handgun would not be legal in Illinois last I checked, possibly in a revolver.
    semi autos not allowed for deer, no rifles either.
    But that might have changed, havenít looked lately.

    This is from a quick glance at the regs, I would suggest more in depth research for hunting at specific sites.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ateam View Post
    Shot a large doe with a 45acp years ago, before I started casting, with a 200grain XTP @ 1000fps out of a series 70. Shot was about 25 yards, HP failed to open but shot placement was good. She went about 30 yards before rolling over all four feet up in the air, I kid you not. After that failure to open I moved to a softer gold dot for EDC.

    I live in MI and have never heard of 45acp being not allowed, or not considered a straight walled cartridge.
    last time i emailed the state about it, the fact that the 45 acp is SHORTER then the minimum case length, the .357 magnum is one major issue..

    other is that the 45 acp is NOT considered a straight wall cartridge due to it not
    having a case profile like a 45 colt or 357 magnum
    and not have a cartridge RIM

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunkTheory View Post
    last time i emailed the state about it, the fact that the 45 acp is SHORTER then the minimum case length, the .357 magnum is one major issue..

    other is that the 45 acp is NOT considered a straight wall cartridge due to it not
    having a case profile like a 45 colt or 357 magnum
    and not have a cartridge RIM
    So, according to that the 50 AE would not be allowed because it doesn't have a "RIM" like the 45 Colt and 357 Magnum. They need to get those "illogical minded" rule makers out of there.
    Classic example of "those not in the know" making rules for others to have to follow. Goes on everywhere. We let it.
    Last edited by 44MAG#1; Yesterday at 07:53 AM.
    We Know Mass Cannot Be Weighed But It Has Newtonian Weight And That Is Derived From Kilograms And Kilograms Can Be Converted to Pounds. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed. But How is the kilograms obtained? Can Kilograms Be Weighed? Evidentally Yes It Can. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed So Kilograms Must Not Exist. Funny Isn't It.
    One good thing out of this the next time I'm at the doctors and they want to weigh me I'll tell them mass cannot be weighed.

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    I know the title of this thread is about hunting with a 45 ACP and hunting loads but I want to bring up the laws in OH for a example. Ohio began to allow handgun hunting back in the 1980’s and didn’t allow deer hunting with strait walled rifle cartridges until around 2004 . The rules for handguns has always been minimum .357 diameter and larger with a minimum barrel length of 5”. This actually includes 38 S&W & 38 spl. but not 9 mm as I have discussed this with the DNR at meeting they had when adopting the new strait walled rifle rules. You can have ANY barrel length you want over 5” and Any cartridge .357 dia. minimum,
    not that I have seen it but you could use a handgun with a 30” barrel chambered in 458 Win mag and it would be legal. So long barreled handguns like TC contenders with any length barrel and just about any large caliber you want as long as it has a strait walled case is usable.

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    Just curious but did OH allow .45acp? I can actually understand no 9mm as technically the bullet is .355 which is smaller than .357. I suspect that might be the reason they used that number. But, that allows the .38spl to sneak in there, which is kinda lame.

    New Mexico it is easy. Centerfire .22 cal or larger. Even for elk and bear. No distinction between rifle and pistol.

    NM does now have some more restricted muzzle loader hunts that require open sights and full bore bullets (including patched round ball).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho45guy View Post
    Hunting with the .45 acp at under 1000 fps on deer-sized game is unethical in my opinion. There, I said it.

    Shooting wild animals with barely adequate loads is just poor sportsmanship. Very few people have the skill to place a shot in the exact spot needed in order to get a humane shot using barely adequate loads.

    I killed my first elk with a .257 Roberts and 120 grain Nosler Partitions at 269 yards. I was under the scrutiny of a friend of Jack O'Connor's and was a natural shot at 13 years of age.

    The .45 acp simply lacks the horsepower to reach the vitals and deliver the energy required to make a clean kill.

    It's fine for human opponents trying to steal your rent money, but game animals deserve more respect and efficient kills.
    This post was the reason I took a self-imposed sabbatical from Cast Boolits for a couple of weeks. I realized that my mouth exceeded my brain.

    A .45 caliber projectile, traveling at 800-900 fps, was entirely capable of killing deer-sized game at reasonable distances.

    No idea why I posted the garbage I did. If I offended anyone with my idiocy, then I apologize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho45guy View Post
    This post was the reason I took a self-imposed sabbatical from Cast Boolits for a couple of weeks. I realized that my mouth exceeded my brain.

    A .45 caliber projectile, traveling at 800-900 fps, was entirely capable of killing deer-sized game at reasonable distances.

    No idea why I posted the garbage I did. If I offended anyone with my idiocy, then I apologize.
    To whom it may concern;
    On or about 10-11-21, @1:14am, I was not offended by a post by Idaho45guy....
    Crazy I know, but that's how I roll....
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    I did not take offense either. I think that most laws that seem stupid from the point of what caliber and how long the case might be and sometimes a minimum ft. lbs. of energy rely on the hunters to use reasonable judgment in what they use to hunt with. I am a firm believer in waiting until I get exactly the best shot I can before shooting whether it’s a bullet or a arrow because as you say the animals deserve it.
    Using a 45 ACP from a handgun is not for everyone, just like using a 32-20 in a rifle for deer. Both will do the job if your patient and are sure you can make the shot you want.
    As a example, I once shot a small buck at about 25 yards with a antique Stevens tip up rifle I rebarreled to 38 spl.
    It was at a bird feeder in my yard and had a broken leg and was during Ohio’s 2 day extended gun season.
    I simply opened the window and shot the deer from inside my home and the deer went about 75 yards and died.
    I did find the flat nosed 160 gr. cast bullet just under the skin on the opposite side that I shot the deer so the gun I was using may have been lacking some in power but shot placement was perfect and the deer didn’t seem to even know it was shot. 38 spl. Is a legal caliber in OH for deer hunting but I doubt that more than 1 in 10000 have or use a rifle in 38 spl. to hunt with but at the short range and having the perfect broadside shot I had it was a ethical choice .

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