Lee PrecisionTitan ReloadingMidSouth Shooters SupplyWideners
Reloading EverythingRepackboxRotoMetals2Load Data
Inline Fabrication
Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 123456 LastLast
Results 41 to 60 of 104

Thread: Non Ethanol Gas Is Cheaper Than Ethanol Blend

  1. #41
    Boolit Grand Master


    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Aberdeen, South Dakota
    Posts
    7,136
    It wouldn't surprise me. I don't think ethanol was originally added for any other reason than to subsidize corn, being as crop farmers without government assistance and insurance would barely break even. It's either that, or a free market would have food prices raise dramatically. Personally I'd rather have a more free market.

  2. #42
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Feb 2019
    Location
    New Market, Iowa
    Posts
    1,466
    Quote Originally Posted by Winger Ed. View Post
    I didn't know it was a different variety of corn.

    But farmers only have so much land in production.
    If they grow the corn for fuel, it takes away land that could produce the kind we eat, as well as the kind for live stock food.

    With less of one kind grown, supply of it goes down, and the price of it goes up.
    It wouldn't exactly take away from the food supply since we over produce it to sell all over the world, but the prices did go up.

    Yellow corn is used for livestock feed and to make ethanol. WHITE corn for corn flakes and such, and of course there is sweetcorn which not only is eaten fresh, but also frozen and canned for sale at your grocery store, and we must not forget POPCORN, which is different from all the others.

    Have you ever noticed a shortage of corn flakes at the grocery store?

  3. #43
    Moderator Emeritus


    JonB_in_Glencoe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Land of 10,000 Lakes
    Posts
    15,832
    Quote Originally Posted by megasupermagnum View Post
    I can tell you right off the bat, Minnesota does not have such a requirement. You can legally purchase, and burn regular gasoline in Minnesota in your car.
    well, as far as Minnesota Law goes, it's allowed to be used in collector cars...but not in modern cars/trucks.
    WITH THAT SAID, it just isn't enforced by anyone. Before a good old fashioned Minnesota cold spell, I usually fill the tank with Non-oxy, cuz when the temperature goes well below zero, Non-oxy starts the car more reliably.

    If you read the Non-Oxy sticker on a fuel pump in MN, it'll say, For use "only" in collector cars and recreational small engines...or some sort of wording.

    https://www.familyhandyman.com/wp-co...pg?fit=630,630
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    “If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.”
    ― The Dalai Lama, Seattle Times, May 2001

  4. #44
    Boolit Grand Master


    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Aberdeen, South Dakota
    Posts
    7,136
    I can honestly say I've never read the sticker on the pump, I've not seen one quite like your link. If it truly is not meant to be sold in MN for new cars and trucks, then they sure make it fine print. It isn't like the off-road diesel, which they practically red tape that pump, there's no mistakes being made there.

  5. #45
    Boolit Grand Master

    imashooter2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    7,899
    Quote Originally Posted by JonB_in_Glencoe View Post
    well, as far as Minnesota Law goes, it's allowed to be used in collector cars...but not in modern cars/trucks.
    WITH THAT SAID, it just isn't enforced by anyone. Before a good old fashioned Minnesota cold spell, I usually fill the tank with Non-oxy, cuz when the temperature goes well below zero, Non-oxy starts the car more reliably.

    If you read the Non-Oxy sticker on a fuel pump in MN, it'll say, For use "only" in collector cars and recreational small engines...or some sort of wording.

    https://www.familyhandyman.com/wp-co...pg?fit=630,630
    And that is exactly what I thought. My bet is the remaining 6 "must use" states have similar requirements.
    ”We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, yet they are still lying.” –Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn

    My Straight Shooters thread:
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...raight-shooter

    The Pewter Pictures and Hallmarks thread:
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...-and-hallmarks

  6. #46
    Boolit Master



    shooterg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Virginia
    Posts
    1,699
    Quote Originally Posted by Froogal View Post
    Ever hear of distillers grain? That is what is left after the ethanol is extracted. Distiller's grain can be and IS a viable livestock feed. Beef, pork, poultry, etc. The livestock will do as well on distillers grain as it will on regular corn, so NO, we have not lost any of our food. Also, the corn used for ethanol production is not the same type of corn that humans consume, so again, producing ethanol DID NOT take ANY of our food away from us.
    ALthough I'm guessing something edible COULDA been raised on the acreage.

  7. #47
    Boolit Master


    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    NH
    Posts
    3,783
    Bet they do not stain it like off road diesel.

  8. #48
    Boolit Grand Master


    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Aberdeen, South Dakota
    Posts
    7,136
    Quote Originally Posted by Geezer in NH View Post
    Bet they do not stain it like off road diesel.
    No. There is absolutely no way to tell straight gasoline from gas with ethanol by sight or smell. I've lived this long, and until imashooter2, nobody has every given me any reason to believe that running straight gasoline in a car or truck was illegal. And that's in Minnesota, where they would put child locks on pop bottles if they could.

  9. #49
    Boolit Grand Master

    imashooter2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    7,899
    Happy to be of service!
    ”We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, yet they are still lying.” –Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn

    My Straight Shooters thread:
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...raight-shooter

    The Pewter Pictures and Hallmarks thread:
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...-and-hallmarks

  10. #50
    Boolit Buddy oldscool's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    ks
    Posts
    159
    I guess I am old enough I never saw on the internet that you could not eat yellow or field corn till now.

  11. #51
    Boolit Grand Master


    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Aberdeen, South Dakota
    Posts
    7,136
    Quote Originally Posted by oldscool View Post
    I guess I am old enough I never saw on the internet that you could not eat yellow or field corn till now.
    "You've Accidentally Given Me The Food That My Food Eats" - Ron Swanson

  12. #52
    Boolit Grand Master

    jonp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Posts
    8,281
    Quote Originally Posted by oldscool View Post
    I guess I am old enough I never saw on the internet that you could not eat yellow or field corn till now.
    I remember eating "cow corn" when I was a kid. Besides being extra chewy I can't say it did us any harm.
    I Am Descended From Men Who Would Not Be Ruled

    Fiat Justitia, Ruat Caelum

  13. #53
    Boolit Grand Master

    jonp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Posts
    8,281
    Quote Originally Posted by JonB_in_Glencoe View Post
    well, as far as Minnesota Law goes, it's allowed to be used in collector cars...but not in modern cars/trucks.
    WITH THAT SAID, it just isn't enforced by anyone. Before a good old fashioned Minnesota cold spell, I usually fill the tank with Non-oxy, cuz when the temperature goes well below zero, Non-oxy starts the car more reliably.

    If you read the Non-Oxy sticker on a fuel pump in MN, it'll say, For use "only" in collector cars and recreational small engines...or some sort of wording.

    https://www.familyhandyman.com/wp-co...pg?fit=630,630
    I have to say that this is the first time I've heard the Non Oxy thing. I had no idea it refers to Non Ethanol and I didn't know that some states ban it's use in vehicles. I always thought the much higher price for "regular" or straight gas besides being the product of corn subsidzes was intended to persuade people not to use it anymore
    I Am Descended From Men Who Would Not Be Ruled

    Fiat Justitia, Ruat Caelum

  14. #54
    Boolit Master fastdadio's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Mi.
    Posts
    974
    Running non ethanol is legal in most states. It is a taxed fuel. It's sold here in Mi. as a recreational fuel at the pump right next to the corn juice and diesel. I run it through my Mustang when I store it for the salt season. I run it in everything except my cars and truck. It's made a noticeable improvement in my dirt bikes and other small engines. Here's a site to find it close to you;
    https://www.pure-gas.org
    Deplorable infidel

  15. #55
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Feb 2019
    Location
    New Market, Iowa
    Posts
    1,466
    Quote Originally Posted by oldscool View Post
    I guess I am old enough I never saw on the internet that you could not eat yellow or field corn till now.
    Never said you couldn't eat it, after all, it is eaten regularly by cattle, hogs,chickens, turkeys, etc., etc.

  16. #56
    Boolit Grand Master


    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Aberdeen, South Dakota
    Posts
    7,136
    As far as I know, all fuel except off-road diesel is taxed. I'm 99% positive that all gasoline is taxed the same despite the grade. The only ones that I'm not sure of would be the 100 low lead (Av Gas), or maybe 110 octane racing fuel if you have it. I've only ever seen straight unleaded gas referred to as "non-oxygenated" in Minnesota, although I wouldn't discount that it is called that elsewhere. I've not seen it called that in any surrounding state. Most states just call it unleaded gasoline.

    I stopped at the gas pump last night. $3.09 for 10% ethanol 87 octane. $3.39 for straight unleaded 87 octane gasoline.

  17. #57
    Boolit Grand Master

    imashooter2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    7,899
    The racing fuel isn’t taxed. Same for Aviation gas.
    ”We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, yet they are still lying.” –Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn

    My Straight Shooters thread:
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...raight-shooter

    The Pewter Pictures and Hallmarks thread:
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...-and-hallmarks

  18. #58
    Boolit Master Handloader109's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    NW Arkansas
    Posts
    2,505
    Quote Originally Posted by Froogal View Post
    Ever hear of distillers grain? That is what is left after the ethanol is extracted. Distiller's grain can be and IS a viable livestock feed. Beef, pork, poultry, etc. The livestock will do as well on distillers grain as it will on regular corn, so NO, we have not lost any of our food. Also, the corn used for ethanol production is not the same type of corn that humans consume, so again, producing ethanol DID NOT take ANY of our food away from us.
    There is only so much land. While growing corn strictly for ethanol may not directly result in less food for human consumption, it lowers what is grown for animals. Farmers are highly subsidized for ethanol grain production. You lose mileage roughly equivalent to the difference in cost. And ethanol DESTROYS most small engines. It eats most plastics that even pure gasoline won't harm.

    Sent from my SM-G892A using Tapatalk

  19. #59
    Boolit Grand Master
    rockrat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    5,311
    $3.55 for ethanol gas (85 octane) and $3.92 for 88 octane straight gas

  20. #60
    Boolit Master

    Hogtamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    East central GA, Appling near Augusta
    Posts
    3,307
    $3.79 for 90 octane no ethanol here this morning, filled up my old Land Cruiser.
    "My main ambition in life is to be on the devil's most wanted list."
    Leonard Ravenhill

Page 3 of 6 FirstFirst 123456 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check