Non Ethanol Gas Is Cheaper Than Ethanol Blend

[dverna]

Ha, Try a gallon of pre-mix 50:1 from Lowes,Will destroy a 20 dollar bill.

The owner of the hunt camp uses that stuff. So much cheaper to buy Rec Gas (0% ethanol), add good 2 stroke oil and Seafoam.

[BigAlofPa.]

We have one station that sells non ethanol gas. Since he has the monopoly on it. It is much higher than E10. Over a buck a gallon more. The guy who owns the station is one of the richest people in the area. He has other business's. He's also a jerk too.

[Geezer in NH]

The little airport is closer than the nearest gas station for me.

[para45lda]

For those that care.

When getting the non-ethanol fuel, I always pump a few gallons into the truck first to purge the system so to speak.

Don't know if it helps, but I feel better!

Wes

[Winger Ed.]

Ha, Try a gallon of pre-mix 50:1 from Lowes,Will destroy a 20 dollar bill.

Same with the old original 'white gas', or clear 'no Lead' labeled as 'Coleman fuel'.

[Froogal]

That doesn't surprise me since it takes a gallon of fossil fuel to produce a gallon of ethanol. It's a subsidy that comes out of our pocket in taxes that keeps the ethanol boat afloat. It never was cost effective, it was always a complete scam. Pure politics aimed at the corn belt. It also removed food from the plate. A win-win for the evil folks driving this stuff. At least that's my understanding of it.

Ever hear of distillers grain? That is what is left after the ethanol is extracted. Distiller's grain can be and IS a viable livestock feed. Beef, pork, poultry, etc. The livestock will do as well on distillers grain as it will on regular corn, so NO, we have not lost any of our food. Also, the corn used for ethanol production is not the same type of corn that humans consume, so again, producing ethanol DID NOT take ANY of our food away from us.

[firefly1957]

The old white gas was unleaded fuel but only like 80 or 82 octane.

10% ethanol will drop your fuel mileage about 7% .
In 2012 I drove my 2000 motor home across the country filled up with premium that was cheaper in Minnesota somehow I missed it was E-15 Fuel economy sucked but no harm was done . I have found that will pure unleaded 87 octane fuel the Motorhome gets 21.4 mpg ,10% ethanol 10.2 MPG and on that E-15 I only got 7.5 mpg .
With carbureted cars and trucks I found 10% alcohol really did not effect fuel economy 15% alcohol caused some issues with drivability and mileage started to drop .

[Winger Ed.]

producing ethanol DID NOT take ANY of our food away from us.

I didn't know it was a different variety of corn.

But farmers only have so much land in production.
If they grow the corn for fuel, it takes away land that could produce the kind we eat, as well as the kind for live stock food.

With less of one kind grown, supply of it goes down, and the price of it goes up.
It wouldn't exactly take away from the food supply since we over produce it to sell all over the world, but the prices did go up.

[rockrat]

Non alcohol gas is pennies short of $4/gallon

[imashooter2]

Is this e0 gas legal for over the road use? Seems to me if e0 was legal no one would use e10 or e15.

I suspect it’s like using home heating oil in a diesel truck.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

The old white gas was unleaded fuel but only like 80 or 82 octane.

10% ethanol will drop your fuel mileage about 7% .
In 2012 I drove my 2000 motor home across the country filled up with premium that was cheaper in Minnesota somehow I missed it was E-15 Fuel economy sucked but no harm was done . I have found that will pure unleaded 87 octane fuel the Motorhome gets 21.4 mpg ,10% ethanol 10.2 MPG and on that E-15 I only got 7.5 mpg .
With carbureted cars and trucks I found 10% alcohol really did not effect fuel economy 15% alcohol caused some issues with drivability and mileage started to drop .

Not necessarily.
20 years ago, I was commuting in a 1988 Honda Civic CRX (2 seater). With their ultra light chassis and their well designed 1.6 Ltr engine (multiport throttlebody fuel injection) and 5spd manual, they were known to get 45 to 50 MPG. That's about the time E85 started showing up an most all gas stations in Minnesota. While E85 wasn't recommended for non-E85 setup cars, it is/was heavily subsidized, so I started blending increasingly more amounts of E85 in with regular gas. I got to about 50% and the car still worked fine...that's when I decided to do an experiment where I was blending the E7 (which was the mandated ethanol mix in MN at that time) with E85 so my full tank was about at E50.

I tested several tanks, winter and summer. I compared E50 to both, E7 and E0. Documenting the mileage, throttle response, and the feel of power (mostly wind resistance was this car's nemesis since I live in the flat lands of the USA).

I averaged the same MPG ...and overall power felt the same (maybe the car's power to weight ratio was so, that I wouldn't notice a lack of power with E50? ...but I did notice throttle response was less with the E50, but I can say the E7 and E0 felt the same.

[Cast10]

Let me know on the prices. I'm curious as to whether this is a local thing or not. I'm assuming that the difference has to do with the skyrocketing commodity prices.

https://imgur.com/a/zFZKWlP

[megasupermagnum]

Is this e0 gas legal for over the road use? Seems to me if e0 was legal no one would use e10 or e15.

I suspect it’s like using home heating oil in a diesel truck.

E0? It's called unleaded gasoline, and yes it's legal to run on the road in every state I know of. E10 as you call it, is nothing but gasoline watered down government subsidized ethanol. If the price was the same, nobody would ever run it ever again, but it isn't. Our tax dollars are used to make 10% ethanol gasoline cheaper than straight gasoline. It isn't all bad, it props up corn farmers.

[rking22]

On the fuel economy E10 vs straight gas, I show a clear and repeatable loss of 10% mpg when using the alcohol gas. 96 Z71 vortec 350, 2003 5.3, and 2002 3800 v6. 10 %added ethanol =10% loss of fuel economy. I would not burn the stuff if pure gas was anywhere close to 10% more, more like 30% more expensive here. And it’s perfectly legal to run pure gas on the road, as if I cared…

[imashooter2]

E0? It's called unleaded gasoline, and yes it's legal to run on the road in every state I know of. E10 as you call it, is nothing but gasoline watered down government subsidized ethanol. If the price was the same, nobody would ever run it ever again, but it isn't. Our tax dollars are used to make 10% ethanol gasoline cheaper than straight gasoline. It isn't all bad, it props up corn farmers.

Forgive me for using the nomenclature the rest of the posters have been using. The question was, does e0 have the taxes paid on it to allow over the road use in all 50 states? A bit of research indicates that there are 7 states that require e10: Louisiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and Washington.

[megasupermagnum]

I can tell you right off the bat, Minnesota does not have such a requirement. You can legally purchase, and burn regular gasoline in Minnesota in your car.

[imashooter2]

In PA, they don’t label it as e10, they label it as regular 87 octane. The only mention of ethanol is on small stickers on the pumps. If you were from out of state you wouldn’t likely notice.

[megasupermagnum]

In MN they have 91 octane gasoline, they call non-oxygenated. It's at almost every station out there, except the very small ones like bait stores that only have a single pump. South Dakota has had both 87 octane gasoline, and 87 octane with 10% ethanol at every station I've been to.

[imashooter2]

Interesting.

[fiberoptik]

In Mexico at least, they eat field corn.
My understanding is that it takes more energy to make ethanol than what it makes burning it.


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