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Thread: A Question about NAZI Ammo

  1. #1
    Boolit Bub
    Join Date
    Feb 2021

    A Question about NAZI Ammo

    What is this cartridge?

    Found a weird cartridge at the range today. I was picking up my spent shells and picked this up. It has a G.F.L. 9 Police on the head stamp. Truncated Jacketed bullet. G.F.L stands for Giulio Fiochii Lecco Italy.

    The Dimensions are .353 Dia bullet (8.98 mm) Case length = .704 (17.98mm) Rim= .369( 9.39mm)Note this is a rebated rim! The Dia at the base at the groove is.784 (9.76mm) OAL is .9915(25.18) The closest cartridge I could find was the 9x18mm Ultra. But I am unsure that it has a rebated rim like this one. The 9x18 looks like it has a bigger cut and greater rebated angle than this one. Tough to tell without both in your hand.
    It is not a .380 ACP, or Makarov. The Mak is shorter & bigger in Dia.

    Photo #1 is 9x18 Ultra
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    Photo #2 is Rebated Rim. See how the rim is smaller than the base?
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    Photo #3 is all three. Left to right. .380 ACP, This thing??? and a 9mm Luger for comparison
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    This is a bit of a puzzler. What do you guys think?
    Anyway, it will go on my collection shelf, next to the .380 ACP and .32 ACP

    More info on the 9x18 Ultra.

    It was originally developed in the 1936 for use by the Luftwaffe, but was not adopted at that time.[1] In the 19721973 time frame, Walther introduced the Walther PP Super chambered in the cartridge for the West German Police.[1] The Walther PP Super was discontinued in 1979.[2] The cartridge was made available to the civilian market in 1975.[1]

    In addition to the Walther PP Super, the SIG Sauer P230,[1] Mauser HSc-80,[3] and Benelli B76[1] were also produced in 918mm Ultra.

    The 918mm Ultra (.355-inch caliber) is not interchangeable with the 918mm Makarov (.365-inch caliber), as the latter uses a larger diameter bullet.

  2. #2
    Boolit Grand Master

    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Way up in the Cascades
    It sounds very much like a 9mm Ultra. Were it me, I'd phone Fiocchi of America (417) 725-4118 and ask them what it is.


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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
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