Black verses 20 ga Sh-Sh slug

[Blood Trail]

The 20 ga won. This isn’t a fast, blazing load. Only moving at a little over 1200 fps, it easily dispatched this brute.





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[megasupermagnum]

Fantastic. Great minds think alike.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Leon: That doesn't look like Texas? Where did you shoot that one?

People should note the comment about his Velocity of @1200 fps. I maintain that there is no need for Super Hi Zoot Butt Kicker Slug Loads for 99% of your slug shooting. Also we've seen some pics of other animals Leon has shot with those slugs (12 ga.) and they do make a powerful impression.

If you are going for Polar Bears then maybe something more powerful.

I know all the Polar Bear Guides in Churchill MA Canada, carry ordinary Police Style Pump Shotguns (870's) loaded with Brenneke Slugs.

Many of the Brenneke loads qualify as "Top of the Line Butt Kickers," and touching one off is probably considered a last resort type of thing. But good to know you'll only have to shoot once.

If all I had in a Polar Bear encounter was a Low Recoil Federal Slug and a gun that was decently accurate I wouldn't feel under gunned. Especially if I had 5 more shots to get it right.

See my newest Polar Bear Gun. see pic

Always Remember,,, Nothing Lives thru a Slug!


Randy

[Blood Trail]

Leon: That doesn't look like Texas? Where did you shoot that one?

People should note the comment about his Velocity of @1200 fps. I maintain that there is no need for Super Hi Zoot Butt Kicker Slug Loads for 99% of your slug shooting. Also we've seen some pics of other animals Leon has shot with those slugs (12 ga.) and they do make a powerful impression.

If you are going for Polar Bears then maybe something more powerful.

I know all the Polar Bear Guides in Churchill MA Canada, carry ordinary Police Style Pump Shotguns (870's) loaded with Brenneke Slugs.

Many of the Brenneke loads qualify as "Top of the Line Butt Kickers," and touching one off is probably considered a last resort type of thing. But good to know you'll only have to shoot once.

If all I had in a Polar Bear encounter was a Low Recoil Federal Slug and a gun that was decently accurate I wouldn't feel under gunned. Especially if I had 5 more shots to get it right.

See my newest Polar Bear Gun. see pic

Always Remember,,, Nothing Lives thru a Slug!


Randy

Hey Randy. I’m up in the northern woods of Wisconsin close to the UP. Weather is fanatic!


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[Hogtamer]

BT, that sure is a wooly hog!

[megasupermagnum]

Yeah, you came on a good week. That cool breeze feels phenomenal. Dry summer, so few bugs. On a normal year, we couldn't see your face through the horsefly's and mosquitoes.

[EMC45]

Dog Gone! Well done!

[commando223]

I'm looking to make that same load for my Savage 320 I'm getting ready to order that Russian mold.

Are you using a screw to attach it to the wad?

How much do those slugs weigh?

[Petander]

Congrats!

Beautiful PC and all.

Now you made me want that slug in 20 , got the 12 already.

[Blood Trail]

I'm looking to make that same load for my Savage 320 I'm getting ready to order that Russian mold.

Are you using a screw to attach it to the wad?

How much do those slugs weigh?

Yes, the screw is attached to the wad through the slug.

As for weight, I believe they are right around an oz for total ejection weight.


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[Petander]

Blood Trail,

is this a Svarog mold or AS? Any fillout quirks?

I just got a Svarog 20 and it is a tough one to fill. Been fighting for a week. I have other Svarogs in 12 gauge,they are working normally.

Thanks.

[Blood Trail]

Blood Trail,

is this a Svarog mold or AS? Any fillout quirks?

I just got a Svarog 20 and it is a tough one to fill. Been fighting for a week. I have other Svarogs in 12 gauge,they are working normally.

Thanks.

I run a full pot turned all the way up. I also heat the mold on a hotplate. Takes a couple pours. Out of 50 slugs, I may have two or three to go back in the pot.


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[dverna]

BT,

Very nice!!!

Did you recover the slug or did it pass through?

[Petander]

I run a full pot turned all the way up. I also heat the mold on a hotplate. Takes a couple pours. Out of 50 slugs, I may have two or three to go back in the pot.


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Thank you, I'm doing the same. Gotta live with this I guess.

Don, my guess is a well exploded slug.

[Blood Trail]

BT,

Very nice!!!

Did you recover the slug or did it pass through?

BT,

Very nice!!!

Did you recover the slug or did it pass through?

I did. The petals broke off and the main body of the slug of embedded the the back of the neck.


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[Markopolo]

wow.... how did I miss this????

Nice job Leon... did you take pics of the wound channel?

[Petander]

Wow I'm slow. But now I see, they have two options and this is the wide belted version.

I'm not happy with my Svarog fillout, gotta order AS next time.

Are you using a rifled barrel?

[bcp477]

Congratulations on your success, Blood Trail. It occurs to me that, what you (and all of us creating various slug loads)...are really doing, as regards ballistics, is more or less duplicating black powder cartridge loads from the 1800's. A 300 to 500 grain projectile, launched at around 1200 fps. Roughly speaking, that is about what they got from a 45-70, a 56-50 Spencer, just to name two. There are many others that basically fit those rough parameters.

I find this quite interesting. We've come all this way, only to realize that they were obviously doing something right, back in the day...and we are basically doing the same thing. As I said...interesting.

[Blood Trail]

Wow I'm slow. But now I see, they have two options and this is the wide belted version.

I'm not happy with my Svarog fillout, gotta order AS next time.

Are you using a rifled barrel?

Both, but mainly rifled.


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[W.R.Buchanan]

Congratulations on your success, Blood Trail. It occurs to me that, what you (and all of us creating various slug loads)...are really doing, as regards ballistics, is more or less duplicating black powder cartridge loads from the 1800's. A 300 to 500 grain projectile, launched at around 1200 fps. Roughly speaking, that is about what they got from a 45-70, a 56-50 Spencer, just to name two. There are many others that basically fit those rough parameters.

I find this quite interesting. We've come all this way, only to realize that they were obviously doing something right, back in the day...and we are basically doing the same thing. As I said...interesting.

One major difference, and that is,,, one is .458 in Dia. and the other is .730 in Dia. The latter is much more efficient at dumping it's energy on a meat target.

Everyone needs to learn about Taylor Knock Out factor,,, TKO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_knock-out_factor.

What you will find is that a 11/8 oz 12 ga slug running at 1600 fps has slightly more actual knock down power than a .458 Win Mag. 500 gr bullet at 2150 fps. 70 for the Win Mag versus 82 for the Slug. This is because the Win Mag will probably go all the way thru the animal and end up dumping the remainder of it's energy in the dirt beyond, whereas the slug will dump all it's energy immediately on impact.

The slugs Leon is shooting take this even farther by having massing HP's in the nose which make the slug open up really fast and create a real mess.

A 12 ga shotgun is about the most formidable weapon the common man can own, and inside of 100 yards nothing lives thru a slug hit.

But do learn about TKO as it is the best way to assess Slug performance in comparison to regular Rifle bullets. You be surprised at the amount of power you are wielding.

Randy