The Jeep Wagoneer is back!

[Idaho45guy]

I've owned a couple of the full-size Wagoneers and Cherokees from the 70's and 80's and always loved the style.

So when I heard that Jeep was bringing them back, I got pretty excited to see if they managed to capture the styling and romanticism of the old brand. Not that I could ever afford one anyway, assuming they would start around $50k.

Well, they are finally here, and...


https://www.foxnews.com/auto/test-dr...grand-wagoneer


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Oh, and the starting prices? For the Wagoneer, it's $60k. For the Grand Wagoneer, it's $90k.

Absolutely ridiculous! The thing looks like a Suburban and a Grand Cherokee had a child with absolutely no styling cues or nod to the legendary Grand Wagoneer of the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's.

Hugely disappointed in Jeep.

Now, if you must absolutely have a true Jeep Grand Wagoneer, there is a company called Wagonmaster that restores them and offers a 100k mile warranty.

These are absolutely mint original Grand Wagoneers.

https://wagonmaster.com/products/199...2115-available

But, they are a bit pricey at $122k for the nicest one...

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The cheapest one is a bargain at $82k...

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I have a buddy that has one he bought as a project vehicle years ago that is sitting next to his shop under a cover. He said he wants $1500 for it. Might have to consider that.

[namsag]

The new one does nothing for me. The old ones to me were one of the most beautiful vehicles, certainly SUVs, ever made. Too bad they were built so poorly! Ten years ago the Wagonmasters were going in the 50K range, that is a big increase.

I'm like your friend, I have a '90 sitting under a carport that has been there a couple of years, it has electrical problems, I guess I ought to do something with it, but I have have kind of become a lot more interested in Land Cruisers.

[echo154]

Yeah.....NO!

[358429]

It's a Fiat.

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[Thundarstick]

Comment retracted.

[Idaho45guy]

I've yet to see any vehicles with variable valve timing engines that don't eat their valve train in 100,000 miles!

What about the Honda V-TEC and VVT engines?

Or the GM Ecotec motor in my 2007 HHR? It has 211k miles with no engine problems.

What Variable Valve Timing engine have you seen that ate it's valve train before 100k miles?

[Randy Bohannon]

It’s a Chrysler product, pass.

[GasGuzzler]

So you thought they'd make it look like the wacky '80's ones AND you're surprised they used the Suburban as a guide when it has ruled the segment for over 80 years?

Okay.

[Idaho45guy]

So you thought they'd make it look like the wacky '80's ones AND you're surprised they used the Suburban as a guide when it has ruled the segment for over 80 years?

Okay.

I'm surprised that you're surprised.

[derek45]

today's SUVs are marketed for soccer moms

...not outdoorsmen

Look what they did to the cherokee and Blazer.....honda CRV clones.

[Thundarstick]

today's SUVs are marketed for soccer moms

...not outdoorsmen

Look what they did to the cherokee and Blazer.....honda CRV clones.

Exactly! If it's not got a full pickup truck frame, pass on it!

[Idaho45guy]

Exactly! If it's not got a full pickup truck frame, pass on it!

The new Wagoneer has a full frame, and a Hemi...

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As does my 4Runner, which is why I chose it. It does just fine towing my 2300 lbs worth of trailer and UTV, and it is rated at 5,000 lbs, but that is pushing it, in my opinion.

The Wagoneer is rated at 10,000 lbs, which is impressive.

[358429]

The problem is the non serviceable fuses for the totally integrated power control power distribution fuse box, not the powertrain the Engines & Transmissions are okay. A lot of the electronic parts are dealer only and they can be extremely expensive.

If they can separate them self from the backwards engineering and they could be excellent vehicles. I'm surprised they're moving back towards the ladder type frame as opposed to unibody.

Vvt-i failures are from abuse and failure to properly change the oil regularly. And when someone asks me " how long is this going to last?" I ask them " how long do you want it to last?"

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[Thundarstick]

What about the Honda V-TEC and VVT engines?

Or the GM Ecotec motor in my 2007 HHR? It has 211k miles with no engine problems.

What Variable Valve Timing engine have you seen that ate it's valve train before 100k miles?

May have exaggerated that ALL. My daughter's Tahoe did make it to 172,000 before hers failed. Our mechanic said he sees them fail in a little as 50,000 miles, and hers was definitely the exception. Do a little research, and never never buy a high mileage used VVT vehicle! When one of those GM motors is replaced is nearly always with a deactivated VVT valve train. Good news is that on some vehicles the VVT can be disabled by an ECU flash as soon as your factory warranty has expired. If you have a VVT or turbocharger never skimp on oil changes either. The best oil and often.

[DougGuy]

Ehh not for me regardless..

I have never bought a new vehicle, sat inside and looked at the 10 or so miles on the odometer. But.. Never had car payments either!

These days I drive a bit of a new car, I buy a used vehicle cheap, then I dump money into a new motor, transmission if either are needed, good tires, even better brakes, and I do my own exhaust. Front end parts if needed, and I get the vehicle into really good shape, I then proceed to drive my almost "new" vehicle until said new parts are wore out and then I sell it and start again.

If I wanted a Jeep, ^^^^ this would be my Jeep.

[Finster101]

May have exaggerated that ALL. My daughter's Tahoe did make it to 172,000 before hers failed. Our mechanic said he sees them fail in a little as 50,000 miles, and hers was definitely the exception. Do a little research, and never never buy a high mileage used VVT vehicle! When one of those GM motors is replaced is nearly always with a deactivated VVT valve train. Good news is that on some vehicles the VVT can be disabled by an ECU flash as soon as your factory warranty has expired. If you have a VVT or turbocharger never skimp on oil changes either. The best oil and often.

The issue you are talking about is cylinder deactivation or displacement on demand. Not variable valve timing. Completely different systems.

[r80rt]

Just Empty Every Pocket.

[marlin39a]

They’ve always made junk.

[JimB..]

Here’s the thing, it’s just boring.

[Idaho45guy]

Here’s the thing, it’s just boring.

Yep.

My last Jeep Wagoneer...

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