30 caliber problem

[pergoman]

To gain elevation (or even windage for out of line holes) the Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts are a great way to gain what you need. I have these on a bunch of guns and have never had a reason to complain. All kinds of combinations are possible and as an added bonus, they don't mar your scope.

[Alferd Packer]

If your range is limited to 50 yes, I would get a pound of the fast shotgun or pistol powders such as Bullseye or Red Dot or Clays.
Then I would load those cast bullets over 5 grains of powder and have fun shooting them.
You can get small groups depending on how steady you can hold your rifle.

[358429]

I've only got a couple of ounces of red dot, Trail Boss. I really miss my chance a number of years ago Gander Mountain in Woodbridge Virginia was getting out of the business of selling reloading components. They had maybe 5x8 lb jugs red dot and promo for 70$ each, 4 lb jugs of power pistol $75, mountain of primers for rifle. I suppose it's water under the bridge.

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[358429]

I think I can start the powder charge work up with the lighter bullet at 20 grains 4227, find a good grouping load, then start with the hand press mass production

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[barrabruce]

I have that mould and when you get into the rhythm they just fall out of the mould easily.
Work O.k in my gun but the nose is a little small. Well I should say my bore is a little big for the mould but easily gets 1" groups at 50 yards.
Keeping it for a new barrel.
I use the 308403 pope bullet a lot as I’m too lazy to load at home and I’m having fun with 4-6 grains of bulleye.
The main thing is to do a chamber cast and find out what will fit in you gun.
The Lee 150 and 170 shoot well .
If you want to go light the Lee soup can works well with a pinch of bulleye for subsonic small game loads.
Ye olde 32-20 or rook and rabbit type loads.
Very quiet ,accurate , frugal on powder and lead and above all CHEAP
Can be quite nutritional as well when things for the pot are hanging around.

[358429]

I've done a lot of 38 Special shooting with my bolt-action 77 357 using 90-170 grain bullets and three grains of red dot.

I feel safe during this with that rifle, 38 Special most definitely is retained in the chamber by the rim on the cartridge case.

I've never had a fail to fire in 38 Special and some of that brass I have reloaded it 30 times or more.

Some of my 357 brass I have reloaded so many times that the writing on the headstamp is disappearing...

With 308 winchester gallery loads, am I going to have my cases get shorter from the firing pin smacking the casing forward, shoulder of the casing into to the shoulder of the chamber?

There definitely is a difference in resizing effort and amount of material removed from trimming, between the IMR 4227 and IMR3031 loads, then those two versus 308 factory ammunition.

I'm pretty set on getting that mold. When I pull the trigger on it I'm going to start practice casting it making sure all the bugs are worked out. Going to sort matched headstamp 308 casings, shoot and reload maybe the same fifty casings and find out for myself if this is even a problem.

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[barrabruce]

You can always drill out the primer pockets in some rimless cases which is supposed to stop excess headspace in mouse fart loads.
But you wouldn’t want to mix them up with full house load brass.
I don’t powder coat but I believe plain base cast can be pushed hard.
Have you thought of paper patching?
It’s just I see Pb bullets as a slow velocity bullet up to 13-1400fps tops if you are lucky.

Trail boss is a high pressure powder.
But it costs about 2x as much when it all works out.

[358429]

I wonder what kind of velocity I am getting with the 308 Winchester, 30-32 grains of IMR 3031 and the 170 grain lee bullet coated no check.

Was shooting them at 12-inch ar500 plate, 120 yards, and it was flipping the plate upside down and breaking the Rope. COAL 2.54 inch

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[358429]

You can always drill out the primer pockets in some rimless cases which is supposed to stop excess headspace in mouse fart loads.
But you wouldn’t want to mix them up with full house load brass.
I don’t powder coat but I believe plain base cast can be pushed hard.
Have you thought of paper patching?
It’s just I see Pb bullets as a slow velocity bullet up to 13-1400fps tops if you are lucky.

Trail boss is a high pressure powder.
But it costs about 2x as much when it all works out.

I had terrible results Trail Boss in 308. I'm not sure if it was the the alloy I was using, not sure if it was the hitek, or if it was the 10 to 13 grains of Trail Boss I was using based on another shooters recommendation. Complete failure keyholing bullets at 10 feet. Nasty noxious smoke when fired I gave the chore boy a workout scrubbing all the trash out of the barrel.



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[444ttd]

i have one mould for the 165gr ranch dog(173gr actual) in my 30-40 krag(.311"). i and my son hunt with it, it does 1926fps with h4198 and the furthest shot was taken by my son at 173 yards(laser range finder thingy) on a doe. i guess that noe still makes them.

i have a rem m14 in 30 rem and it needs a mould. i've been thinking of 150gr whp gc mould. i'll probably order it AFTER i get them commercially.

https://www.gtbullets.com/index.php?...products_id=27

[barrabruce]

Oops
I have the 308 hunter mould which looks similar to the one you are asking about.
But it will most likely rain bullets for you as well.

[358429]

Oops
I have the 308 hunter mould which looks similar to the one you are asking about.
But it will most likely rain bullets for you as well.

Please tell me about your loading experiments, and loading experience, in 308 Winchester, using the 308 Hunter mold from MP if you could also tell me about what kind of rifles, and which powders you were loading them with...

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[358429]

If your range is limited to 50 yes, I would get a pound of the fast shotgun or pistol powders such as Bullseye or Red Dot or Clays.
Then I would load those cast bullets over 5 grains of powder and have fun shooting them.
You can get small groups depending on how steady you can hold your rifle.

I really liked that last sentence that you say.

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[358429]

You can always drill out the primer pockets in some rimless cases which is supposed to stop excess headspace in mouse fart loads.
But you wouldn’t want to mix them up with full house load brass.
I don’t powder coat but I believe plain base cast can be pushed hard.
Have you thought of paper patching?
It’s just I see Pb bullets as a slow velocity bullet up to 13-1400fps tops if you are lucky.

Trail boss is a high pressure powder.
But it costs about 2x as much when it all works out.

Maybe I will drill out the primer Pockets larger on 50 casings that are chrome plated, all of the same headstamp, it'll be an endurance testing of metal fatigue.

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[ktw]

If the goal is position shooting at 50 yds with a 30 cal rifle, I’ve had good luck doing that in a 30-30 with the lighter weight, plain based bullets more commonly used in 32 handguns. Designs like Lyman 311008 or the 312-120 “Willbird” group buy mold we did here a long time ago. Never tried the RCBS 32-98-swc, but I bet that would work, too.

-ktw

[barrabruce]

I’ve loaded the 308 hunter in the 30-30 with 12" twist.
Shoots @ 1" at 50 yards with 4-5 grns bullseye.
I also sized it to 0.302" and paper patched it and was getting @1 3/4" - 2" groups at 100 yards with jacket loads.
The nose is a little small and I have other moulds which cast better for this gun so I have put it aside and played with them instead.
If I had a std 300 bore and 308 groove it would be a whole lot better.
The throat in this is a bit strange but it shoots ok for what it is.
I haven’t hunted in many years but I think it would do just fine on a number of animals.
I use 170-180 fp grn pp full snot loads as a pig load.
I think at 17-1800 fps or 2000fps loads would be quite good enough for most things of decent "hunting "ranges.
I regularly shoot to 300 mtres with subsonic loads and 22lr at the range when I feel like a challenge.
But I have no business shooting animals that far.
The 308 hunter casts easily and shoots well if that what you want.

The ness safety bullet is a step up if you want a real big hollow point to break up on impact.

[358429]

I’ve loaded the 308 hunter in the 30-30 with 12" twist.
Shoots @ 1" at 50 yards with 4-5 grns bullseye.
I also sized it to 0.302" and paper patched it and was getting @1 3/4" - 2" groups at 100 yards with jacket loads.
The nose is a little small and I have other moulds which cast better for this gun so I have put it aside and played with them instead.
If I had a std 300 bore and 308 groove it would be a whole lot better.
The throat in this is a bit strange but it shoots ok for what it is.
I haven’t hunted in many years but I think it would do just fine on a number of animals.
I use 170-180 fp grn pp full snot loads as a pig load.
I think at 17-1800 fps or 2000fps loads would be quite good enough for most things of decent "hunting "ranges.
I regularly shoot to 300 mtres with subsonic loads and 22lr at the range when I feel like a challenge.
But I have no business shooting animals that far.
The 308 hunter casts easily and shoots well if that what you want.

The ness safety bullet is a step up if you want a real big hollow point to break up on impact.

Thank you for so freely sharing that information knowledge and experience, makes this site better!

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[358429]

I've been eyeballing The Ness safety bullet for a while. It looks like a huge super-deep upside-down hollow wadcutter.

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[barrabruce]

I have a hundred ness bullets to use up with the big pins.
I haven’t found it’s Sweet Spot yet with the big hollow point pins yet.
The penta pins and they just drop off.
I’ll get back to playing with it later this year I hope.
It does shoot well and it does make a loud smack when it hits the target frame when there is accumulation of old targets left on them.
Ha.
People think you you are shooting stopper gun or something. Ha

[MT Gianni]

If the goal is position shooting at 50 yds with a 30 cal rifle, I’ve had good luck doing that in a 30-30 with the lighter weight, plain based bullets more commonly used in 32 handguns. Designs like Lyman 311008 or the 312-120 “Willbird” group buy mold we did here a long time ago. Never tried the RCBS 32-98-swc, but I bet that would work, too.

-ktw

It does work as does 32 wadcutters fed single shot. 2.5-3 gr BE and a lot of fun. They penetrate the target and the backer so it is still heavier than ideal. [Ideal being able to pluck them out of the backing]