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    Quote Originally Posted by white eagle View Post
    Man this shortage just brings out the best people who want to help handloaders in a time of shortage with their own supplies of powder for sale. I saw more than one person who not wanting to hoard their powder had offered their 8 pound jug for a mere 469.00 plus 65.00 shipping but fear not friends this person was a certified hazmat shipper.
    There's certainly some powders out there I'd be happy to pay that kind of money for, if I could get them at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Handloader109 View Post
    agreed, folks like midway are gouging. Their primer prices are up, but not considerably enough to warrant $75 a box for primers. (plus shipping and hazmat)

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    Who are you to tell them what they should sell their property for? And what bearing do their prices have on what they're willing to sell to you for? They can sell them at a loss or at any price they want to ask for them.

    I think shortages are a GREAT time for people to learn about how markets work and what prices signify.

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    There is no gouging on components. The market dictates the value of an item. If I bought gold at $1000 am I gouging if I sell it at $1600?

    And, most importantly, none of these items are necessary for survival. Does anyone NEED 8 lbs of powder to survive? How many zombies are coming for you?

    Many are upset because they cannot go out and have fun shooting at the cost level they were used to. Making fun affordable for strangers is not my responsibility. I have helped my friends, but why would I help you?

    Stop the whining, learn from the experience, and plan to be prepared next time. I understand new folks who have entered this hobby in the last 5-6 years being ignorant. If you have been through previous cycles and are unprepared...well...

    Shooting for fun is either a priority in someone's life or not. It is a big part of my life. I have planned for it for over 20 years.

    I use about 100 rounds a year to harvest meat, or eradicate pests/varmints. But I live in rural MI and get a lot of critters. Powder could get to $100/lb and primers to $40/100 and it would not matter for my "needs".

    Defending yourself, family and friends should be a priority, but very little ammunition is needed for that. My carry ammunition is over a decade old. Those who squandered their resources to "have fun", made a poor choice. Deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by porthos View Post
    we can't do much about the individuals that are gouging. but we should remember the dealers that are doing so, and take our business elswhere ; if and when prices stabilize
    And Brownells. On top of that, you can only buy 1 brick at a time and can't defer the hazmat and shipping between 5 brick lots.

    Even when prices were around $30 a brick I'd only buy 5 brick lots IF I had to buy primers online

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Cash View Post
    I suppose the dealer that paid 50.00 a thousand for the primers he got is gouging when he charges 60.00 per m to you. He can't stay in business at that mark up. Some people here are sorry socialists or worse.
    I bought 5 bricks of primers online last month from Grafs for $252.44 to my door
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    Item # Name Price Quantity Total
    RM712LA REMINGTON PRIMER 7-1/2 LA SMALL RIFLE BENCH REST 5000/CS $222.99 1 $222.99

    Fixed-Rate Shipping $9.95
    Hazardous Materials Fee $19.50

    Total $252.44

    That kind of shoots down them having to pay more for primers and passing it on to us.

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    Stop the whining, learn from the experience, and plan to be prepared next time.
    No one read that.
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    Having seen a few shortages over the decades, I learned long ago to gather when the gathering is good. Much like dverna, it's not that often I run across something that needs shooting. Anything outside of that can be considered recreational shooting.

    As for Big League Gouging, companies are in business to make money, period. They have share holders and partners to answer to. When times get better, prices will drop. How much is any ones guess.

    If people would stop buying at these prices the prices would drop? There will always be someone willing to pay more than the next guy. That strategy didn't work in any of the past shortages, and I have a feeling it's not going to this time either.

    I see those of us who reload our own as being considered hobbyists by the manufacturers. Their main product is loaded ammunition. I'm thinking we won't see much in the way of primers and some powders until the store shelves are once again filled, with no limitation on how much you can purchase.


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    It would be interesting to run the lot numbers of these powders and primers and seen when they were made. Thinking a lot were on Dads bench for a few years and family decided to cash in. I have 8 lbers of 4895 varget reloader 15 4350 and IMR 4831 that the price sticker shows 89.00

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conditor22 View Post
    I bought 5 bricks of primers online last month from Grafs for $252.44 to my door
    Products & Fees
    Item #NamePriceQuantityTotal
    RM712LAREMINGTON PRIMER 7-1/2 LA SMALL RIFLE BENCH REST 5000/CS$222.991$222.99

    Fixed-Rate Shipping$9.95
    Hazardous Materials Fee$19.50

    Total$252.44

    That kind of shoots down them having to pay more for primers and passing it on to us.
    Yes, graf's is good company, they most probably pay roughly the same as midway, and midway is selling for 50% more

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    Quote Originally Posted by dverna View Post
    There is no gouging on components. The market dictates the value of an item. If I bought gold at $1000 am I gouging if I sell it at $1600?

    And, most importantly, none of these items are necessary for survival. Does anyone NEED 8 lbs of powder to survive? How many zombies are coming for you?

    Many are upset because they cannot go out and have fun shooting at the cost level they were used to. Making fun affordable for strangers is not my responsibility. I have helped my friends, but why would I help you?

    Stop the whining, learn from the experience, and plan to be prepared next time. I understand new folks who have entered this hobby in the last 5-6 years being ignorant. If you have been through previous cycles and are unprepared...well...

    Shooting for fun is either a priority in someone's life or not. It is a big part of my life. I have planned for it for over 20 years.

    I use about 100 rounds a year to harvest meat, or eradicate pests/varmints. But I live in rural MI and get a lot of critters. Powder could get to $100/lb and primers to $40/100 and it would not matter for my "needs".

    Defending yourself, family and friends should be a priority, but very little ammunition is needed for that. My carry ammunition is over a decade old. Those who squandered their resources to "have fun", made a poor choice. Deal with it.

    Just to be clear I am by no means whining or complaining just telling it like it is fella
    as far as components I have enough of everything to keep me shooting daily for years and years
    would I help you, NO.
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    Heard 2x4's prices are dropping like a rock, Perhaps powder and primers will follow suit for the chronic unprepared? Good Luck out there in the jungle men !

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    My only beef is that the primer companies are not going to stick to the big houses like Midway and others. Those retailer have every right to set the prices the way that the see fit. One of our LGS had gotten in limited supplies of primers here lately and they've been charging something like $40.00/1K. They do set a limit on how many you can buy, but no shipping and no hazmat. So if they're selling and still making a profit, then the big shops are taking advantage of the situation.
    I woud pay $70/1k for SRP but not if I can only buy one at a time and pay hazmat and shipping for that 1 box. That's ridiculous.
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    Stores and individuals can charge what ever they want as it is theirs to sell. I don't have to buy it if I don't like the price. Because I was sorta caught in a primer shortage in the 70s, I vowed not to let it happen again. I'm now almost 73 and don't have time to shoot as much as I want but I believe my sons will get a bunch of powder, primers, bullets, brass and lead when I'm gone.
    I'm not sorry for those that have went through a shortage and didn't prepare for another. Maybe this shortage that seems to be affecting a lot more than just gun related things, will cause more folks to be better prepared for shortages in a lot of stuff they think is essential for their well being. But, some folks never learn.
    If you that go through this shortage and fail to prepare for the next, you have no one to blame but yourself. It will happen again and it could include food, gas, clothes or any other items you need for survival. Be prepared or suffer, your choice.
    This may sound a bit harsh but I can only afford to help a few others and they will be close friends that are doing their best to help their self.
    I don't know who the Big Leagues are gouging, but it's not I. Make it not you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbuck351 View Post
    Stores and individuals can charge what ever they want as it is theirs to sell. I don't have to buy it if I don't like the price. Because I was sorta caught in a primer shortage in the 70s, I vowed not to let it happen again. I'm now almost 73 and don't have time to shoot as much as I want but I believe my sons will get a bunch of powder, primers, bullets, brass and lead when I'm gone.
    I'm not sorry for those that have went through a shortage and didn't prepare for another. Maybe this shortage that seems to be affecting a lot more than just gun related things, will cause more folks to be better prepared for shortages in a lot of stuff they think is essential for their well being. But, some folks never learn.
    If you that go through this shortage and fail to prepare for the next, you have no one to blame but yourself. It will happen again and it could include food, gas, clothes or any other items you need for survival. Be prepared or suffer, your choice.
    This may sound a bit harsh but I can only afford to help a few others and they will be close friends that are doing their best to help their self.
    I don't know who the Big Leagues are gouging, but it's not I. Make it not you.
    Good post
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    deverna my son prefers to hunt with non-toxic bullets. I have too many lead core bullets to load copper bullets. Both sons have shot lots of my bullets and loaded many at my bench. He wants to shoot copper bullets and since I left California I only want to load lead bullets until the supply is greatly reduced.

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    Folks should be able to shoot what ever type bullet they want. If some one wants and can afford to shoot $2 to $4 per round, good for them. I figure I can afford to shoot 10 $.40 rounds for every $4 round and dead is dead no matter what you use to get a critter dead. If I can train with ten times as many rounds I figure I can be a better marksman which will probably make my bullet placement better. I prefer bullet placement over bullet type. Here in MT we can still choose what our bullets are made of. ( Oops, gotta watch out for the grammar nazi. I dangled my participial again.)

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    There is no such thing as gouging for non essentials.
    If you have ever made a profit on anything, you are gouging to one degree or another.

    No one is forcing you to buy anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbuck351 View Post
    Stores and individuals can charge what ever they want as it is theirs to sell. I don't have to buy it if I don't like the price. Because I was sorta caught in a primer shortage in the 70s, I vowed not to let it happen again. I'm now almost 73 and don't have time to shoot as much as I want but I believe my sons will get a bunch of powder, primers, bullets, brass and lead when I'm gone.
    I'm not sorry for those that have went through a shortage and didn't prepare for another. Maybe this shortage that seems to be affecting a lot more than just gun related things, will cause more folks to be better prepared for shortages in a lot of stuff they think is essential for their well being. But, some folks never learn.
    If you that go through this shortage and fail to prepare for the next, you have no one to blame but yourself. It will happen again and it could include food, gas, clothes or any other items you need for survival. Be prepared or suffer, your choice.
    This may sound a bit harsh but I can only afford to help a few others and they will be close friends that are doing their best to help their self.
    I don't know who the Big Leagues are gouging, but it's not I. Make it not you.
    Very good post,

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    Quote Originally Posted by white eagle View Post
    Man this shortage just brings out the best people who want to help handloaders in a time of shortage with their own supplies of powder for sale. I saw more than one person who not wanting to hoard their powder had offered their 8 pound jug for a mere 469.00 plus 65.00 shipping but fear not friends this person was a certified hazmat shipper.
    Stop me if you've heard this one before - at home ,at work, right here on the CB boards: "Man, I wish I'da bought [xxxx] back when it was $[xxx], I'da made a killing!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckiller View Post
    deverna my son prefers to hunt with non-toxic bullets. I have too many lead core bullets to load copper bullets. Both sons have shot lots of my bullets and loaded many at my bench. He wants to shoot copper bullets and since I left California I only want to load lead bullets until the supply is greatly reduced.
    I must be missing something.....why not reload copper bullets?

    I did a quick look on that gouger Midway site.

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010418122?pid=896992

    Copper bullets for his 7mm-08 less than $1 ea and in stock. I can likely beat that price if I spent more time, but it is not my problem.

    Still no empathy for people paying $4/round for factory hunting ammunition.....their choice to get bent over, so no gouging.
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    Well, I tried to sell these on S&S, but no takers. I've just had them sitting around. Looked at them, noticed the price. Well, I had priced them after looking at prices on Midway, Natchez, etc. My, how times have changed. These probably from the 60s and 70s. The previous owner was a benchrest shooter, avid reloader, fisherman, and hunter. From his estate. No one was interested in it, and I gave them a fair and honest price. The people running the sale were friends of mine. They knew my hobbies and called me to go look at it and price it. But, looking at the prices I was asking and these prices, I guess you could call me a "gouger".
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