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Thread: Big League Gouging

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    Big League Gouging

    Man this shortage just brings out the best people who want to help handloaders in a time of shortage with their own supplies of powder for sale. I saw more than one person who not wanting to hoard their powder had offered their 8 pound jug for a mere 469.00 plus 65.00 shipping but fear not friends this person was a certified hazmat shipper.
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    It is trully disapointing that our friends in the hobby do this. I can understand that people want to make a profit ,but some of the prices i see are ludicrous. I hope my spelling is correct

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    What some call gouging, others call opportunity.
    Prices are crazy these days.
    But shelves are empty, so if needed, you just gotta pay the price.
    It's sad because by doing so, prices might never come down.
    Would be interesting to see where the money is going????
    Who is making the most profit???
    What is the reason for the high prices????
    Besides the shortage.

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    Just got home from a local gun show, powder is still going from $50/$60 lb., 9mm is down to $35 or so for a box of 50 from $50-$65 a couple of months ago, guns are still on the high side but coming down some.
    "People in Arizona carry guns," said Detective David Ramer, a Chandler police spokesman. You better be careful about who you are picking on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tunnug View Post
    Just got home from a local gun show, powder is still going from $50/$60 lb., 9mm is down to $35 or so for a box of 50 from $50-$65 a couple of months ago, guns are still on the high side but coming down some.
    Anecdotal stories/observations like this one and the declining prices (although still astronomical) on Gun Broker are bringing my level of cynicism down and giving some ray of hope the prices will fall between now and Hunting Season to a level near where they were 18 to 20 months ago. Those trying to sell and take advantage of the high prices - their property/their choice. Ultimately; if production outstrips current usage and "Warehousing" by speculators/small vendors/individuals; then prices will drop to some point yet to be determined.

    One reason for the decline in my cynicism and increased optimism (although very reserved at this time) is the increased appearance of "High Use" caliber commercial ammo on various mid to small Gun Store/Sporting Goods Store shelves I visit on occasion. I am seeing 9mm, some 38 special, .223, 7,62x51 and the odd lot of 30-06 (gusts of 6.5 creedmore, 300 Blackout, 6.5x55, 7x57, and 30-40Krag) showing up on shelves, selling out, then appearing again - Whack a Mole" type appearance almost. This should bode good tidings as we move into hunting season. Not sure what the availability of the various Winchester Short Mag, and other "MAG" hunting calibers will be.

    Once the above happens; then we should see powder, primers, and other reloading supplies also drop as the demand for making Commercial Ammo is less than production capacity and the manufacturers will turn loose some level of reloading components to keep factories operating and their profits in the black.

    Just hope that our Political Elite in Washington DC are not able to implement and expand Gun/Ammo Control revisions in the next 18/42 months.
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    On that $470 powder I thought hazmat fees were much lower like $30 or is that for postage and hazmat?

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    In the last few weeks Primers have been available online for $60-$75 a brick but hazmat pushed that up to 9 cents each due to a lack of powders to add to the order. I am encouraged by actually getting some and will treat them like gold until prices come down.
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    we can't do much about the individuals that are gouging. but we should remember the dealers that are doing so, and take our business elswhere ; if and when prices stabilize

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    agreed, folks like midway are gouging. Their primer prices are up, but not considerably enough to warrant $75 a box for primers. (plus shipping and hazmat)

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    Well,Are we fighting any wars right now?
    Are the .gov boys out of ammo and ordered fresh stuff?
    Who's sucking up all the goods?
    Follow the money,Chances are it's our tax dollars at work

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    Kind of like gasoline in my area. Oil went up 50 cents a barrel and gas went up a nickle. Oil went down $10 a barrel and gas stayed the same.
    Powder is $43 a pound around here at one store and #41 primers are $139/1000, but at another store powder is $30-$35 a pound (even Varget and H4350!!) but no primers.

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    Last October, a member of CB was unloading some materials. I paid $700.00 for 10,000 SPP. I was sick about laying out that much money but with trends the way they were, it was a decent deal. Good primers too BTW. 120 mile round trip. Money out of savings. I posted some up on gunbroker for $100.00/1,000. I figured that I'd sell a few 1,000 and recoup some of the cost. Mind you, this was when they were going for $150.00/1,000. The first email that I got was "Eff you you effing gouger." I pulled my ad and figured the heck with everyone.
    There are a lot of gougers and profiteers out there for sure.
    If I could find SRPs for $70.00/1,000 with no hazmat, I'd be on them for several thousand easily. I do have powder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by porthos View Post
    we can't do much about the individuals that are gouging. but we should remember the dealers that are doing so, and take our business elswhere ; if and when prices stabilize
    I suppose the dealer that paid 50.00 a thousand for the primers he got is gouging when he charges 60.00 per m to you. He can't stay in business at that mark up. Some people here are sorry socialists or worse.
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    I ran into a guy who wanted to sell me primer at 15 cents a piece. I told I had enough to get through deer season this year so I would hold off. He then offered me range brass mixed for a buck a pound I declined. I can not see my self spending a buck a pound and getting some brass that I do not reload for. He asked what I was looking for and I said a good deal.

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    Went Shooting with my sons today. #1 son is getting ready to go antelope hunting next month. He wants to use copper custom loaded projectiles. As discussed with his brother these are available at $80.00 per box (20 rounds). #2 son and I had some problems with $4.00 per bang. #1 said all ammo is now $4.00/bang so why not get top quality hand loads at that price. I am sure that Remington Cor-Locs in 7/08 can be had for less than $4.00/bang. #1 is buying ammo for #2s rifle to hunt in SE Oregon. Supposed to have a goodly number of good antelope. If the fires don't interfere he should have a good time and maybe get a trophy antelope. Both sons are going mule deer hunting in Eastern Oregon in October. I wish them luck, I enjoy venison.

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    Lots of 9mm coming available at 40 cents a shot bought by the 1,000. Staying in stock too. That isn’t 2018 pricing, but it’s half of the peak price. Fingers crossed it goes a bit lower.

    Small rifle or pistol primers on the other hand… I’m still shooting all I want and I’m good for a year or so on small rifle. 3 or 4 on small pistol. Then I’ve got choices to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckiller View Post
    Went Shooting with my sons today. #1 son is getting ready to go antelope hunting next month. He wants to use copper custom loaded projectiles. As discussed with his brother these are available at $80.00 per box (20 rounds). #2 son and I had some problems with $4.00 per bang. #1 said all ammo is now $4.00/bang so why not get top quality hand loads at that price. I am sure that Remington Cor-Locs in 7/08 can be had for less than $4.00/bang. #1 is buying ammo for #2s rifle to hunt in SE Oregon. Supposed to have a goodly number of good antelope. If the fires don't interfere he should have a good time and maybe get a trophy antelope. Both sons are going mule deer hunting in Eastern Oregon in October. I wish them luck, I enjoy venison.
    When you look at the cost of hunt, the price of ammunition is not going to be much of a factor.

    What I find interesting in your post is "#1 said all ammo is now $4.00/bang so why not get top quality hand loads at that price." Makes me wonder why the son of reloader would pay that....will he not learn, will you not reload for him, or does he not have confidence in your loads?

    Hard to feel empathy for people like that that are getting "gouged".
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    If folks would just not pay those prices they will come down. If you need the item that bad then oh well pay the piper and hang on as long as you can. We have all seen these cycles before. I got burned several cycles ago and swore not again. Live and learn.

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    I am having more trouble finding 8 shot than primers.

    Rotometals seems to have shot, kinda like Gunbroker has primers.
    Last edited by Half Dog; 07-26-2021 at 06:43 PM.
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    If you watch the big online sellers you can get it for $30 a pound. Graf's had 8 pound jugs of 2400 last week for $244.

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