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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryB View Post
    Swap your 5k mile pack for a 100k mile that is on its last legs... nope no thanks!
    None of the hotswappable battery technology under serious discussion is rechargeable, this wouldn't be a thing thankfully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman View Post
    ... "normal" folk won't want to buy them and have to put up with that stigma. I don't give a flying flip what anyone else drives, why should anyone care what I drive?
    I don't care what anyone drives but it seems funny to me that anyone would buy anything based on what anyone else might think. Perhaps especially so if they want others to think they're smart buying an electric to save both money and the environment.

    My late animal vet's very nice wife sought that with their first Prius; some of her happy glow faded when the batteries died just a bit after the warranty died. Her do-good glow went out when the expensive second battery pack also died.

    Maybe I just want to try it out?
    Then by all means get one. ???

    Having conservative values does not require one to long for the days of the horse and buggy. Well, maybe that is too modern for some, perhaps the musk oxen and stone-wheeled car.
    Seems your definition of "conservative" is derived from typical "liberal" slander. Fact is, conservatives embrace new things as much as anyone, difference between libs and conservatives is libs want "change" for the sake of change, no matter if it's good or bad.

    Conservatives want new things that are actually better and more cost effective than the old things; neither is true for electric autos.

    I don't mind the money that libs toss at their own electric autos but I resent that mine and other's tax money is being used to fund their foolish "green" virtue signaling experiments that are known to be net losers for the environment.


    As a plodding ol' oxen cart driver, I wonder if you, as a functional modern lib, have seen any of the recent wave of "wonderful, new, modern, energy saving" government subsidized (and mandated) curlicue lamp bulbs filled with toxic innereds?

    Seems the current rapid shift to LED lamps is not only much better in all respects but, so far as I KNOW, they're not even tax subsidized by modern lib politicians striving to be seen saving the world from the supposed ravages of CO2 and the horrid (but strongly questioned) world wide temp increase of about 1.5 degrees over the last 50 years.

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    Well I have a 1 ton dually Cummins that will go 350 to 400 miles per fill up pulling a large load up steep hills at speed. Then it takes 5 minutes to fill up and back on the road for another 350 to 400 miles. Or if I'm going through Canada to AK I can put 3 drums of fuel in the bed and drive through without stopping for fuel. And if I turn on the programmer I can smog out anyone following to close. Try any of that with any electric vehicle.
    When they get a battery that will pull a load like that Cummins and for as far as it will go on 30 gallons of fuel without a recharge, I might be interested if the cost is reasonable.

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    When my wife was working, one of her co-worker purchased a Chevy volt at the beginning of the summer. She would come to work and brag about not having to buy gas and how great the car was. Flash forward to the beginning of winter. The car was on charge all night in her garage on a very cold night. She went out hopped in her car got about three miles from the house and had to call a tow truck because the cold weather killed the battery instantly. Now this wasn't in Michigan, North Dakota or Montana, this was in Gaithersburg Maryland just outside Washington, D. C.

    If I wanted to go from here in Martinsburg, WV to where my son lives about halfway between Pittsburg and Erie, I would probably have to make it a two day trip just so I could stop somewhere and charge the battery...if I could find a hotel that has a charging station.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch-1 View Post
    When my wife was working, one of her co-worker purchased a Chevy volt at the beginning of the summer. She would come to work and brag about not having to buy gas and how great the car was. Flash forward to the beginning of winter. The car was on charge all night in her garage on a very cold night. She went out hopped in her car got about three miles from the house and had to call a tow truck because the cold weather killed the battery instantly. Now this wasn't in Michigan, North Dakota or Montana, this was in Gaithersburg Maryland just outside Washington, D. C.

    If I wanted to go from here in Martinsburg, WV to where my son lives about halfway between Pittsburg and Erie, I would probably have to make it a two day trip just so I could stop somewhere and charge the battery...if I could find a hotel that has a charging station.
    While cold weather performance can be an issue with all existing battery technology, that story sounds to me like a reason not to buy a Chevy rather than an lesson on all EVs. A properly designed car would have kept the battery warm while plugged in, for one thing, and the battery heaters would throttle back a bit during the drive because the internal cell resistance would generate some heat as they discharged.

    Remember that until Tesla proved it could be done better, all EVs were launched as compliance cars, they were never intended to be anything else. Even after Tesla came on the scene, the culture shift in existing auto makers was (and still is, sometimes) a huge problem, from management fighting the innovator's dilemma all the way down to the guy who spent his whole career learning to maintain traditional engines.
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    Read article about the ford truck, I think consumer reports, at any rate, it was estimated that range would be under 100 miles if truck was truly loaded. Winter is a killer, which is why you see most electrics in the southwest. It isnt even using a heater or ac, it is just that cold kills batteries. ALL types. Put your cell phone outside and see what happens. If you like a 100 mile top range, buy an electric and be prepared to be let down quickly

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    I've wondered about a battery powered pulling tractor. Weight shouldn't be an issue for 7K.-10k LB classes. I guess there's a couple lawn mower sized EVs pulling out there. I pull an Oliver tractor in some antique farm classes but would have to go in an open class with a EV I'm sure. It would only have to run at full power for 2-3 minutes at the most.

    I could see guys "chipping" that Ford truck EV and making their tires go bald lol. Or maybe pulling with them at truck pulls. Though not very practical for every day use that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman View Post
    Gas automobiles weren't particularly useful when first invented, there was grass hay and water everywhere for horses but no filling stations. Yet here we are. I'm sure people had the same sort of conversations about that as we are having here.

    I've considered buying an electric car for commuting and such, while keeping a nice truck for long distance travel and real work. I live almost 30 miles to work as does the wife on the opposite end of town, so commuting together is difficult and not very useful. But a small used electric car can be had for not much money and I have plenty of charging infrastructure at my house and cheap electricity. I'm not saying I will do it, I'm just saying that it does make financial sense when you crunch the numbers. Even accounting for reduced range, a mile traveled with an electric car is way cheaper than gas. If that car is cheap to buy and maintain, that is also a positive.
    but to do it you still need another real vehicle if your going to do more then your 30 mile trip to work. So that cheap electric isnt replacing the cost its adding to it. That and i never heard electricity was cheap in texas and after that last fiasco we know your system isnt capable of taking care of a car in every house hold. And truth be told most homes have 100 amp services and to keep a car or two charged your going to need to upgrade your transformer the wire to your home and your service panel. Your probably (if your not an electrician) looking at 5-10k. Even if you are an electrician or capable your still going to pay the power company a big chunk to upgrade your transformer and service wire. Then when all your neighbor decide to join you your distribution power lines will need to be upsized. ALL the transformers and even your substation supplying the power and most likely even the transmission lines comming from the power plant and then you will face the fact that we already dont have enough power plants and the liberals arent letting new ones be built. Somewhere along your journey into this fallacy i hope you run into the power fairy because thats what the liberals are relying on today.

    Bottom line is if they force this on us your electric bills are going to go through the roof to pay for all of these upgrades and even then unless they allow nuke or coal plants to be built your going to be rationed and have to decide what youd rather do. Drive to work tommarow or have heat and lights tonight. Then when you decide dont pretend your being green because that power plant is still polluting. I worked in the power industry as a power plant operator for 6 years and a lineman for 26. this isnt my first rodeo. When some of you say your willing to sit back quietly and let them push this on us before we are even close to being able to do it efficiently and economically you are just supporting the liberal socialist lies of people like aoc and sanders. You are doing nothing but cutting your own throat. A refernce was made to cars not being effiecent at first. Well the facts are they probably werent. But they didnt ban horses and make people buy cars before there werent gas stations and a system to supply them either. People who bought them knew they had to source gas and didnt buy them until they did and most who did buy a model A didnt go out in the back 40 and shoot there horse in the head either. Kind of chuckle at the fact were going full circle. in the 1800s you could run your horse a few hours then it had to graze for hours and take a snooze. Modern man did better. We devolped cars that could be fed in 5 minutes never had to sleep and could drive cross country just with quick 5 minutes stops to refuel non stop.

    Now we circle back to being able to go a 100 miles then stopping for an hour while our car grazes and thats if we can find some grass. Can you imagine the size ACREAGE it would take to put up a charging stations in a city that a major freeway goes through. Just picture one during rush hour. You would have to have charging stations with a HUNDREDS of charging stations or youd have line ups from down town ny to the bronxs. they would have to build motels there and youd have to stop and get a number and a room and get called when it was your turn.

    This is what in the real world your asking for when you try to defend this lunacy. Every single one who is willing to be a sheep is another nail in the coffin of the middle class. What there true goal is is to take away the most powerful tool the middle class has and thats mobility. They will make it so ALL you can do is take your little glorified go cart to work and back and what they dont get in taxes you will pay in electric bills which the welfare trash will get paid for them. They will be playing music and chilling there beers while you bust your chops working to just to pay your bills virtually eliminating the middle class. Pleasure drives? Vacations? Taking a ride to see your parents or kids?? That will be only for the wealthy. Open your eyes before its to late!! Just remember which side of this war were in today supports this bs and the insane new green deal. It blows my mind that anyone other then a few token liberals we have would support our government being able to dictate to us what kind of a car or truck we have to drive and dictate to the car manufactures what kind of cars and trucks they have to make so we loose our freedom of choice!!!!! Whats next? To save the planet we hall have to wear government uniforms that create less pollution then wranglers to make we all have to buy the same brand of fridge freezer tv because some polititian is in cohoots with that manufacture!! Atvs utvs snowmobiles harleys boats all banned because they use fossil fuels!! Wood or gas heat? Unless your wealthy youd better stock up on blankets!!! This is what your asking for. Not even a tiny bit less.

    this is not one bit different then the liberals attack on our guns. They pick one thing to take away from us. Lets say bump stocks. You get the sheep that say i can live without them so ill sit back and let it happen. Then there banned. Next they say high capacity mags. Enough say oh well i like lever guns and revolvers so who cares and those sheep sit back. There banned. Next is ars then 742s and 1100s. Then they bring up the fact that revolvers' and lever guns were guns of the military too. Before you know it all you sheep are in the corral and just an attempt to get out and your the leg of lamb on the rotisserie tomorrow at supper. If you WANT an electric car it sure should be your right to have one. But I shouldnt have to pay more taxes, more electric bills, pay chev more for my silverado to fund the development of your go cart and pay more so they can sell it to you for less then it cost them to build it. If you want it YOU pay for it. Id bet if the goverment didnt force all this stuff that little go cart would cost your 50 or 60k and not a single one cheering would even take a second look at this completely impractical at todays technology lunicy. A closer comparison right now then someone who bought one of the first model As and kept his horse for when he could find gas would be to stick a tesla in a time machine and send it back and sit it on the shore where the pilgrims landed and hope they can produce enough corn to power it without starving. the truth is staring you right in the face. Just look at the powerful and the politicians in this country that are pushing this. Look in there garage. See what they drive. That is the ones that dont travel around in limos with secret service escorts and jet around the world in private jets with only two or three people on board. They are making laws for you that they dont think apply to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Like it or not, EV's are coming. Within 10 years most major gas franchise stations will require owners to remodel and expand so they can have a bank of chargers. The businesses with the most chargers will get the most business. Movie theaters, malls, even the doctor and dentist offices. If owners can't charge while they shop, eat, or be treated they will go where they can charge.
    Range will continue to improve and charging times will decrease.

    There would be some advantages to owning a EV. No more oil changes, very little maintenance. The perfect customer is someone who drives under 150 miles a day and will slow charge the car at night when the rates are lower. Face it, 95% of America falls into this group except for the occasional road trip.
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    Ask the good people of Texas just how well these spiffy EV's did in the floods last year.
    Most evacuated in their old knuckle dragg'n gas burners only to return to a burned down home.
    Yep, You guessed it, The spiffy EV caught fire just sitting there in the rising flood waters.

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    I am one of those interested in an electric vehicle. They're not quite ready yet for what I want, but I am watching them.

    The beginning of the twentieth century had very little infrastructure in place for gasoline or diesel powered vehicles. Not even roads! It took a few decades for all of that to come into being.

    I will probably always have at least one liquid fueled vehicle simply because there are times I need more range, load capacity, towing power, etc than what an electric vehicle can produce. Outside of those times though an electric vehicle will suit my needs better than a gasoline powered vehicle - once their range and carrying capacity improves a bit more.
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    GM’s Mary What’s Her Name has decided that GM will be all electric vehicles by 2035 IIRC. We’ll see if the buying public supports that commitment. I think if I was holding GM stock I’d be looking at selling and buying something else. I think she’s oblivious to how many people in this country use cars and trucks for more than short commutes to and from work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSB View Post
    GM’s Mary What’s Her Name has decided that GM will be all electric vehicles by 2035 IIRC. We’ll see if the buying public supports that commitment. I think if I was holding GM stock I’d be looking at selling and buying something else. I think she’s oblivious to how many people in this country use cars and trucks for more than short commutes to and from work.
    I don't know, I think she might be doing the right thing. Remember that in the auto market, government regulation is at least as important as demand from users. If regulation continues on its current trajectory, and I don't see any reason to believe that it won't, then there will be incredible pressure to switch to EV. The change required from a manufacturing standpoint is so huge that a company can't afford to half-ass it... they can either throw all their resources into the effort now, or they will be stomped into the ground when stricter regulations hit the books.

    Maybe she's wrong about the future, but chances are good that she is not. The people in power have decided that we're going to ditch ICEs as soon as possible, and positioning her company to align with that is probably a wise move.

    Remember, they don't ultimately care if poor rural folks are stuck in a tight spot. Or any poor folks, really... as long as they get the votes.
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    I see the push to EV's as foolish when ICE technology is providing cleaner running and more efficient engines every 10 years.

    My 2001 F150, 5.4 Triton. 235hp and 330ft pounds of torque, and around 16mpg

    Fast forward 16 years

    My 2017 Escape with a 2.0l Direct injection turbo charged Ecoboost engine that is a proven reliable design being hot rodded well over 450hp on a stock block assembly. Stock it is 245hp and 275 foot pounds of torque and I am averaging 23mpg despite being a lead foot!

    What will the next 10 years bring in engine design? The ecoboost I drive now is pretty dang clean running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbuck351 View Post
    Well I have a 1 ton dually Cummins that will go 350 to 400 miles per fill up pulling a large load up steep hills at speed.
    But realistically less than 1% of vehicles sold today can do that.

    Electric vehicles could easily replace 90% of the driving that most people do and you'd never notice much of a difference. Not many people drive 300+ miles per day. I have no interest in one currently, but would be willing to replace one of my households vehicles with one if it made economic sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryB View Post
    Swap your 5k mile pack for a 100k mile that is on its last legs... nope no thanks!
    My thoughts exactly. That is the reason I jealously guard my rechargeable drill batteries when working with others who have the same brand of tool.

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    I arnt even got a kinkos to copy my voter ID. Howz i sposta charg up a lectirc car to drove 10 miles to vote?? Heck, the outhouse aint even got water cept when it rains.

    With today's technology an EV is not practical for me. Before retiring I drove an average of 200 miles a day for my work. To go to ANY other town, its a 80 mile round trip. To go to the any city with a population of over 15,000 people is a 180 mile round trip. There are maybe two months a year where you can comfortably drive without heat or AC. That would cause concern to go anywhere, and could be deadly when it is 20 or more below zero outside. Till the technology catches up with the politicians mouths, I'll stick to my gasoline and diesel burners.

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    So if there’s nothing under the hood, does that give you a trunk in your pickup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunross View Post
    I am one of those interested in an electric vehicle. They're not quite ready yet for what I want, but I am watching them.

    The beginning of the twentieth century had very little infrastructure in place for gasoline or diesel powered vehicles. Not even roads! It took a few decades for all of that to come into being.

    I will probably always have at least one liquid fueled vehicle simply because there are times I need more range, load capacity, towing power, etc than what an electric vehicle can produce. Outside of those times though an electric vehicle will suit my needs better than a gasoline powered vehicle - once their range and carrying capacity improves a bit more.
    People have been trying to make electric cars a viable thing since about 1832. They have failed now for 189 years, the horse proved to be a much more reliable form of transportation.

    Look, I'm an electronics guy. I went to school for automation. I'm currently an electrician apprentice. I like electric motors. That said, electric motor technology is not THAT advanced, and the big killer is we are kind of stalled on battery technology, the same cause of death of every other electric vehicle for a couple centuries. I'm not against electric cars, but until they can reasonably go 1000 miles on a charge, and be easy enough to change a battery in an emergency, they are not a practical form of transportation for anyone outside of a major city. On top of that, I can't in my right mind get behind increasing lithium mining in the form it is today. From what I've seen of battery advancements, we are decades away from meeting that goal. We need to find a more sustainable material to make batteries from, ideally recyclable, and it needs to be able to provide better capacity than our current lithium batteries. I really doubt any one of us no matter how young, will ever live to see a practical electric driven pickup truck.

    I have been in the past a supporter of hydrogen, but I've changed my mind. While on a vehicle level, it makes perfect sense. Hydrogen is cheap, burns super clean, and otherwise functions the same as gasoline. The idea of it being hard to store, or dangerous, or whatever are nonsense. That's like the guys in Oregon crying that the state is going to burn down because now they have to pump their own gasoline. If you can handle gasoline and propane, you can handle hydrogen. The big problem I've come to learn is that there is no clean way to produce hydrogen at the moment. As it is today, most hydrogen comes as a byproduct from oil drilling. So far attempts to manufacture hydrogen other ways have proven ineffective for a large scale.

    @reddog91 What gasoline car or trucks today can't go 350 miles on a tank? Also do not forget that it is then a 5 minute process to refill, and back on the road you go. Don't write off most people as stay-at-home's. I'd bet 90% of people with cars travel more than 100 miles in a single day, at least once a week.
    While the current ranges for electric cars are at BEST 300 miles, that's round trip. Throw in some safety factor, and you are now stuck to at most 100 miles from home. It will get you to work and back, but now you have to buy a second car to go anywhere else, totally negating any "clean energy". Don't underestimate the amount of energy, and pollution it takes to manufacture a car.

    Honestly I think the best thing people can do if they want to promote improving the environment, is to push bicycles and walking. I'll admit, I'm as lazy as anyone. I live about 5 miles from work, all flat, and roads not too busy. There is no reason at all I couldn't ride a bicycle to work 75% of the year. Until the technology catches up, trying to push electric cars is ludicrous. I'm not just talking about politicians. I can not understand why Ford would come out with this disaster of a truck and brag about it. Gasoline cars and trucks are incredibly clean, you can't just write off gas as old tech yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by megasupermagnum View Post
    @reddog91 What gasoline car or trucks today can't go 350 miles on a tank? Also do not forget that it is then a 5 minute process to refill, and back on the road you go. Don't write off most people as stay-at-home's. I'd bet 90% of people with cars travel more than 100 miles in a single day, at least once a week.
    The quote said 350 miles in steep hills with a heavy load… FWIW the standard Tesla can go 250+miles on a charge. And I’d take that bet in a heart beat.

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