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    Quote Originally Posted by pettypace View Post
    All will be revealed at the proper time.
    I ask again. Is this the reveal you were talking about in the quoted post?

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    Maybe this "reveal" will only come to those that have the " Secret Decoder Ring"!!

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    There are NO absolutes here! What there are, however, are good pieces of info the rate, POOR, AVERAGE, BETTER, and BEST! I found that useful and when hunting everything from varmints, edible small game, and large WT Deer found that the "principles" made sense. The difference on small game with a .38 round nose to a target WC or even better, a "full charge" wadcutter was and IS dramatic! Those same principles apply to humans, as long as you factor in the differences (human stands upright and is relatively thin front to rear, and a four legged annimal needs more penetration, etc.

    Bottom line, for me, was .45 Hardball was/is quite effective but a flat nosed bullet out of a .45 ACP or revolver is BETTER! That is useful knowledge and can lead you to better anti-personnel loads in your daily carry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaguarxk120 View Post
    Maybe this "reveal" will only come to those that have the " Secret Decoder Ring"!!
    Evidentally. So far it is just like the many, many, many, many other threads on stopping power posted on this forum and many other forums elsewhere on the WWW.

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    Did I post this yet?

    Some people can’t learn unless they have visuals. This might help


    https://youtu.be/5AhcuLWIe3A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J. Spangler View Post
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    Some people can’t learn unless they have visuals. This might help


    https://youtu.be/5AhcuLWIe3A
    I'm glad I didn't watch the whole thing, just a very few minutes of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44MAG#1 View Post
    I'm glad I didn't watch the whole thing, just a very few minutes of it.
    Why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J. Spangler View Post
    Why is that?
    Do you really need to ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44MAG#1 View Post
    Do you really need to ask?
    I guess I don’t but then again you don’t need to post on this thread at all. Considering the negativity towards it. I’m just trying to see your point of view. Maybe you can sell me on something better than 10 years of research from the members of the IWBA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J. Spangler View Post
    Did I post this yet?

    Some people can’t learn unless they have visuals. This might help


    https://youtu.be/5AhcuLWIe3A
    Long but interesting.
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    Yes, it was long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44MAG#1 View Post
    Yes, it was long.
    That’s why you didn’t watch it?

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    Only a few minutes of it. It is where you hit them and what you destroy. I didn't know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J. Spangler View Post
    Did I post this yet?

    Some people can’t learn unless they have visuals. This might help


    https://youtu.be/5AhcuLWIe3A
    Thanks for posting an excellent link. The wealth of information contained in it is as accurate today as it was when the film was made.
    The noteworthy post-addition of the proper use and preparation of ballistic gelatin should be of special interest to anyone thinking that the average magazine article, or youtube video, using homemade gelatin concoctions have any relevance at all… Most don’t.

    Anyone really interested in the subject, especially newer shooters, should take the time to benefit from the knowledge of real experts in the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J. Spangler View Post
    I guess I don’t but then again you don’t need to post on this thread at all. Considering the negativity towards it. I’m just trying to see your point of view. Maybe you can sell me on something better than 10 years of research from the members of the IWBA.
    INTERNATIONAL WATERFOWL BREEDERS ASSOCIATION - Home …
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    international wound ballistics association iwba?

    All of them about the same amount of tug and pull when it comes to handguns topping powing.. and how usefull things can be. More people die from accidents like drowning in the bathtub, and from drug overdoses

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    Looks like a Troll can double post with a VPN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunkTheory View Post
    INTERNATIONAL WATERFOWL BREEDERS ASSOCIATION - Home …
    https://officialiwba.weebly.com

    Injured Workers Bar Association - MemberClicks
    https://iwba.memberclicks.net/login

    Bottled Water | International Bottled Water Association
    https://bottledwater.org

    international wound ballistics association iwba?

    All of them about the same amount of tug and pull when it comes to handguns topping powing.. and how usefull things can be. More people die from accidents like drowning in the bathtub, and from drug overdoses

    I don't understand the above. But for anyone actually interested, all issues of the Wound Ballistics Review --- the journal of the now defunct International Wound Ballistics Association --- are available online here: https://thinlineweapons.com/IWBA/

    There's a lot of good information there. For example, the very last issue contains the complete set of Fackler's wound profiles.
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    pp, thanks for reposting that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pettypace View Post
    ……. for anyone actually interested, all issues of the Wound Ballistics Review --- the journal of the now defunct International Wound Ballistics Association --- are available online here: https://thinlineweapons.com/IWBA/

    There's a lot of good information there. For example, the very last issue contains the complete set of Fackler's wound profiles.
    Thanks for posting that link.
    The IWBA files were hard to locate for awhile, so making it easier for newer shooters that are interested in the subject to find solid information is a really good thing.
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    Here is another source of information, that may be quite relevant pertaining to this topic! Maybe the reason that I like it is because I’m not a die hard believer in ft/lbs of energy being as important as it’s many worshipers would have us believe! memtb

    http://rathcoombe.net/sci-tech/ballistics/wounding.html
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