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    Just curious...has anyone ever tried soaking the old suspended ceiling tiles and shooting thru them? I wonder how many it would take to stop different rounds. Unfortunately I can not try this at the range I go to.
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    [QUOTE=Goofy;5225082]
    Quote Originally Posted by waksupi View Post

    Is snow a liquid?
    It would actually be considered a solid in its frozen state.
    The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
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    he does a whole host of gallon jugs and the 444.

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    A friend built a crib 2x2x4, maybe a bit longer,into a bank, and filled it with dirt, after removing the rocks. It'll stop 45-120-550's at 200 yds. Slugs wash out after a rain. Seem to remember Elmer Keith writing that he used a snowbank, But that would require a lot of snow, waiting for spring, and an incredible memory. It worked for him.

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    [QUOTE=waksupi;5225259]
    Quote Originally Posted by Goofy View Post

    It would actually be considered a solid in its frozen state.
    Ok, if one filled a container with snow what portion of the volume would be air? For sake of the discussion pretend we are talking about dry snow. I ask only because it is virtually impossible to expel all air. Pretty much like a container of cooked rice. Either will be consistent with some definition elements of a liquid, but not all.

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    My penetration test today. I had recently , about 3 weeks ago cut down a problem pine tree. Since it was still un-split I thought maybe I could shoot into the end of it. So. at 70 yds a 313gr cast bullet I had cast out of scrap WW ( BH 10.5 ) was sent into the end of the log. Out of the 24" bbl of my Win Legacy 44 mag., chrono 1550 fps. After splitting the log open I measured 8" of penetration. Retained bullet weight was 262gr. Missing GC was 7.6gr on my scale. Picture shows bullet before & after. It appears to have retain most all of the PC. Hard to see in the picture, but it is there. Coating is clear with a little O.D. green.Attachment 286054Attachment 286055Attachment 286056Attachment 286057 A thump-er load & a clean bore.

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    That gives an idea how well your boolit holds up in bone, which is pretty good penetration and ability of the slug to hold up well. Water jugs will give a prettier picture, but at least you have something to gauge it with. Neither are the same as fur, skin, flesh, organs and bone, but I use water jugs out of convenience.

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    I just tried this with some Fiocchi, 32 S&W Long, 100 grain Wadcutters. The rounds consistently went through a 1.5 quart Smart Water bottle, one half-gallon Fabuloso soap bottle, and knocked down a half-gallon iced-tea bottle (can't recall the brand name). All this was from perhaps a yard away, fired out of a 2 3/4" H&R 733. I'm actually pretty happy with the rounds performance, and intend to load the same projectiles to just a bit higher velocity, as discussed in the 32 S&W Long Manstopper thread (a great read, for those with even a remote interest in the subject).
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    [QUOTE=Goofy;5225288]
    Quote Originally Posted by waksupi View Post

    Ok, if one filled a container with snow what portion of the volume would be air? For sake of the discussion pretend we are talking about dry snow. I ask only because it is virtually impossible to expel all air. Pretty much like a container of cooked rice. Either will be consistent with some definition elements of a liquid, but not all.
    Do some Googling for your answer, I only answered if snow was solid or liquid. You can add in determining factors on any subject.
    The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
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    The 38 Long Colt with a HB Bullet.

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    Try freezing the jugs first...

    I have had .22 lr go through a plow drift. I thought the driveway would make a fine range, surrounded by 6 feet of snow, but a 22 will go through 4 feet of unpacked snow easily. I stomped down a drift with snowshoes, the metal detector found jackets two feet deep. Solid ice will certainly stop a boolit. Then I stacked firewood on end vertically to a pyramid, to backstop the 30-06. I shot some peat bales to recover boolits, picked out the expanded .44 slugs and spread the peat in the garden. Great stuff, peat.
    In Fairbanks they shoot spruce logs lengthwise, split the log, find the boolit. The pile needs to be split anyway. 18" is considered borderline for bears, I guess bears are as tough as spruce trees.

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    .38 S&W rook rifle, Accurate 36-240H, ten-inch twist 9mm Parabellum barrel 20 inches long, penetrated eight 1 gallon jugs with 240-grain FN bullet at only 720 fps, with 3 grains of AutoComp. No yaw. Penetrates straight through like a laser!

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    That's amazing. Weight carries fantastic momentum , which translates into DEEP penetration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom View Post
    That's amazing. Weight carries fantastic momentum , which translates into DEEP penetration.
    Contrast .44-40 handload with 23 grs. Alliant #2400 from Winchester 1892, Remington 200-grain JSP at about 1700 fps.
    Stops in 4th gallon water jug, about 30 inches of water. "Parachute" effect from expanding bullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
    Contrast .44-40 handload with 23 grs. Alliant #2400 from Winchester 1892, Remington 200-grain JSP at about 1700 fps.
    Stops in 4th gallon water jug, about 30 inches of water. "Parachute" effect from expanding bullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
    .38 S&W rook rifle, Accurate 36-240H, ten-inch twist 9mm Parabellum barrel 20 inches long, penetrated eight 1 gallon jugs with 240-grain FN bullet at only 720 fps, with 3 grains of AutoComp. No yaw. Penetrates straight through like a laser!

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    No wonder the Brits specified a 200 gr boolit in the 38S&W for WWII revolvers!
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    Bob Hagel's test box was mentioned above. From his book, Game Loads and Practical Ballistics for the American Hunter, 1978:

    "What I finally settled on is a box about 1 foot square and 4 feet in length. It is filled with a mixture of about 50% sawdust, preferably partially rotted, and 50% fine silt. This mixture is given just enough water to cause it to stick to the fingers, but by no means mud. A piece of heavy truck innertube is placed over the shooting end, and a cardboard spacer placed every 6" to check expansion and facilitate bullet recovery. The mixture is stirred up between shots, so it does not pack enough to give more resistance for one shot than for another."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEKVT View Post
    Bob Hagel's test box was mentioned above. From his book, Game Loads and Practical Ballistics for the American Hunter, 1978:

    "What I finally settled on is a box about 1 foot square and 4 feet in length. It is filled with a mixture of about 50% sawdust, preferably partially rotted, and 50% fine silt. This mixture is given just enough water to cause it to stick to the fingers, but by no means mud. A piece of heavy truck innertube is placed over the shooting end, and a cardboard spacer placed every 6" to check expansion and facilitate bullet recovery. The mixture is stirred up between shots, so it does not pack enough to give more resistance for one shot than for another."
    That's an interesting method, thank you for sharing.

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