Elmer's 44's

[44MAG#1]

So here is MY question - which bullet are we talking about when you say "Keith" bullet? Lyman 429421 or H&G # 503?

Make your choice.

The thread going off track was my fault and I am sorry for that.
I should have kept my fingers quite.
I will take complete ownership of messing up the thread.
It was a wondeful video.

If anyone wants to discuss anything I said and wants to thrash me soundly please PM me.
I am not going to respond to anything posted to me on the thread starting now.
PM your thoughts positive or negative.
Again I am sorry for derailing the thread. I shouldn't have stuck my nose in it.

[megasupermagnum]

So here is MY question - which bullet are we talking about when you say "Keith" bullet? Lyman 429421 or H&G # 503?
If the bullets are exactly the same, fine. If not, then there should be a distinction WHICH bullet we are speaking of.
There are at least TWO variations of the #503 with the major differences being in the width of the drive band that I am aware of.
Does it make a difference?
Probably not.
But there were multiple references to the "Keith Bullet".
I'm sure both will shoot far better than I am capable of doing.

With regards to the pressure/velocity, it doesn't really matter. In comparing drawings online, we are usually talking about .020" or less here or there. According to Quickloads, the biggest difference I could find only changed it about 40 fps.

[derek45]

So here is MY question - which bullet are we talking about when you say "Keith" bullet? Lyman 429421 or H&G # 503?
If the bullets are exactly the same, fine. If not, then there should be a distinction WHICH bullet we are speaking of.
There are at least TWO variations of the #503 with the major differences being in the width of the drive band that I am aware of.
Does it make a difference?
Probably not.
But there were multiple references to the "Keith Bullet".
I'm sure both will shoot far better than I am capable of doing.

If you read his book SIXGUNS ( available cheap on amazon again ) He describes what my Arsenal #503 is and not what my 429421 is.

flat base, square lube groove, 3 full diameter equal sized bands




the blue coated is made by IDEAL, the clear coated is ARSENAL #503

note the difference of the lube groove, and front band


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sorry for the thread hijack HR

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[TNsailorman]

44mag#1, You were not the only one, I also got off topic and I just edited my comments to what I should have said in the first place and left it there. Great job Howard. james

[missionary5155]

I may have missed it but revolvers can differ alot when it comes to FPS with the same load loaded by the same person.
Compare a DW with a tight cylinder, barrel gap and barrel to a Ruger Blackhawk with looser specs but same barrel length and there will be a slower slug flying downrange.

[ddixie884]

I am going to post my opinion on this. I see much common sense in all the posts in this thread. First thanks to the OP. 2nd I'm pretty sure I have not fired any true Keith loads. I have fired loads inspired by and similar to Keith's. I have never fired a bullet of 1 to 16 tin and lead. EMK used more than 1 mold from more than 1 maker. The important thing is to get similar results and I'm of the opinion that the OP did this. I don't feel it is hard to get close to the experience and results of the Keith load and I'm satisfied. Anything over 20gr 2400 or 16gr in a spl with any reasonable copy of the original makes a good load. The similarity of our thoughts is bigger than Our differences. JMHO-YMMV and I'm just glad we have this forum........

[Hrfunk]

Please don’t worry about hijacking the thread. I always hope the video links will prompt some lively discussion in the forum. So any comments you may have are welcome. Fire away!

Howard

[Cosmic_Charlie]

I'm happy with the 250K boolit over 7 grs. of Unique in .44 special and 12 grs. of HS-6 in .44 mag. Fun video.