Why no 1895 Winchester in 45/70

[ddixie884]

You guys are making my 'Green Monster' act up with all this 1895 Winchester talk......

[uscra112]

shooters in the 1890s were as interested in history as anyone is now, but there was not a nostalgic bone in their bodies. The idea of “re-enacting” anything back then did not occur to them; the worst thing they could imagine was being considered (by reason of practice or ownership) a “back number” by their fellow shooters.

The new smokeless propellants, jacketed bullets, high intensity loadings and reduced bore sizes was the way of the future, and the large-bores, even loaded with smokeless powders, were, to their way of thinking, headed for the dustbin of history. No forward-thinking shooter back then would have been interested in a “modern rifle” chambered in an obsolete caliber like the .45-70. The 1895 marlin was about the last hoorah in that direction.

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[cwtebay]

Good luck . I have repeatedly asked them to do the .218 Bee and .25WCF and despite the fact that that they have had untold numbers of requests for both cases they say they have no plans to ever make either . I would imagine the demand for both of these would by far exceed the demand for .405 brass . GB and most of the other online sources have at anytime guns for .25-20 made by Winchester, Marlin, Remington, Savage just to mention the most common manufacturers but Starline still can't see any profit in making the brass . Lots of .218 Bee rifles around too. They could make .218 brass only and those of us who shoot both could make the .25-20 without loosing cases like you do with .32-20 .

Load X has your brass. Give Steve a call.

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[cwtebay]

Shooters in the 1890s were as interested in history as anyone is now, but there was not a nostalgic bone in their bodies. The idea of “re-enacting” anything back then did not occur to them; the worst thing they could imagine was being considered (by reason of practice or ownership) a “back number” by their fellow shooters.

The new smokeless propellants, jacketed bullets, high intensity loadings and reduced bore sizes was the way of the future, and the large-bores, even loaded with smokeless powders, were, to their way of thinking, headed for the dustbin of history. No forward-thinking shooter back then would have been interested in a “modern rifle” chambered in an obsolete caliber like the .45-70. The 1895 Marlin was about the last hoorah in that direction.

While I'm not arguing your point - Winchester initially offered TWO black powder loadings in their 1895. This was purported to be a hedge against the new fangled smokeless not taking off.

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[762 shooter]

Just got a 1895 in 30 40. Loaded up some 150 FMJs at about 2100 fps.

Crescent butt plates hurt.

762

[Rick B]

Also been writing Starline in regards to 45-75 WCF brass. Will add 405 WCF also.
Rick

[444ttd]

it must have taken 4 or 5 years (every month) to get starline 444 brass. every month i write starline to come up the 30-40 krag, 221 fireball and 405 win. brass. i'll just add a couple of more......

[MostlyLeverGuns]

The 405, 30-40, 303 Britsh, 35 Winchester are all similar, rim and head diameter. Peel the rim off and you can get 35 Rem so it should show up when they are ' ALL CAUGHT UP'. Remember the 444 is '06 with the rim left on, common with all the other 308/'06 head diameters.

[Patrick56]

it would require a completely different receiver, the 45-70 would not fit...and at the time they were moving away from the old and the 1895 was a very modern rifle...

Actually I owned a Winchester 1895 in 45-70 Govt. and it worked very well. The receiver was made for the 7,62x54R and later rebarrelled. I sold it as I wanted to install a red dot sight on my rifle and bought instead a Winchester 70 in .458 mag.

[missionary5155]

A 405 Winchester 1895 with a receiver sight makes for a very fast heavy thwaper with 300 grain cast at 2000 fps.... Especially with a large flat nose followed by 3-4 more nestled down in that box magazine.

[FergusonTO35]

I like to think of my Browning BLR as a late 20th century rendition of the 95.

[Baltimoreed]

On the back burner is a full stocked musket build using a .30-06 Browning copy that I picked up a few years ago. Hopefully will look like this. I already have 1866, 1873 and 1876 muskets, the 1895 will be in good company.

[cwtebay]

Pardon the Hornady version - but it does fit in the carrier of this old gal (also pardon her liver spots, she's been around a while). So it's darn sure possible to do this! But I believe Winchester had moved on by this point.
Gratuitous accouterment picture of course!

[j4570]

Who was making the brass for Hornady is the good question. Were they actually doing it or was it someone like Starline or PRVI. If it's PRVI, then maybe Graf's could convince them to make a run. I know PRVI made the 7.5x55 Brass, the Hornady, Graf's, and PRVI-all PRVI brass.

There has been a lot of brass that Starline at one point didn't make and there wasn't enough demand. But eventually they started. I forget the minimum order(someone gave me an example one time), but it's a lot, for a new case!!