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Thread: Why no 1895 Winchester in 45/70

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    Why no 1895 Winchester in 45/70

    All in the the title ..... did winchester make a 1895 in 45-70????

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    it would require a completely different receiver, the 45-70 would not fit...and at the time they were moving away from the old and the 1895 was a very modern rifle...

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    30-40, 35 WCF, 303 British, 38-72, 40-82, 405 WCF, 30-03, 30-06, and a handful of 33 WCF and 236 USN.l originally. The 1895 was Browning's answer to offering spitzer bullets in a lever action (so no bullet-primer issues as in the tube magazine offerings). I do find it curious that nearly all of the WCF offerings by Winchester sported round nose bullets with an 1895 call out on the box.

    The two black powder offerings were said to be Winchester hedging their bets on the new fangled smokeless cartridges. They still had their very successful 1886 offered in the government cartridge that stuck around quite some time after the 1895 came about.

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    Also made in 303 British which is on my bucket list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawlerbrook View Post
    Also made in 303 British which is on my bucket list.
    Yep, realized that I have 2 of those after I posted - thank you for the reminder!
    (And I left off the 7.62x54R on purpose)
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    You have 2 ? You are my idol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawlerbrook View Post
    You have 2 ? You are my idol.
    One is a re stock and needs some love, but yes.
    My dad's brother in Alberta has a SRC in 303 that is marked RCMP that I envy a great deal!!
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    I picked up this 1895 SRC chambered in 30/40 Krag about a year ago and for a hundred year old carbine it acquits itself well on the range:

    5 shots at 100 yards with handloads.


    I would love to find a 1895 SRC chambered in 303 British (at a price that I could afford).

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    Several years back a customer sent an 1895 takedown in 30-03 to fit two new barrels, one in 40-72 and the other in 405. Had to change the mag box and bolt and make up an extra frame extension. When test firing I tried the 40-72 first and thought is was a nice rifle to shoot. Then I put the 405 barrel on and took it out, that thing hurts.

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    I have a 1895 in .303 British as well with the ebony forend tip 28" barrel

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    I dont know hwy, but I want one of these..........

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    Me two, but not in the .405. Would love to find one in .35WCF.
    I truly believe we need to get back to basics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GhostHawk View Post
    Me two, but not in the .405. Would love to find one in .35WCF.
    I have one. It will pound you just as hard as the .405. I also have a 30-40 and a .303. Looking hard for a 38-72 and 40-72
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    Good afternoon
    We have a repro in 405. We shoot our own loads with up to 320 grain cast and at 2200 fps and it is not bad. But then we never fire it off a bench. Cross sticks it the way to fire heavy "Thwappers" in our thinking.
    Best route we have seen to get into the hard to find calibers is buy a 30-40 and get it reamed or rebarreled.
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    think part of the attraction is that it's a lever gun with a box magazine.......with the lines of a 67 mustang......taboo??

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    Chambered in .30 Gov't, made in 1898-99, it was my very first "deer rifle".
    Been hauling it into the woods since I was big enough to carry it.
    It shows its age....but still shoots like a new one.
    I have always wanted one chambered in .405 just because Teddy Roosevelt liked his in Africa.
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    I have a late model Winchester (Miroku) chambered in 405 and it is quite a handful with top end loads.



    Sadly, Hornady has stopped making the brass and mine (my brass) is starting to get a little long in the tooth (had a case head separation a week or so ago).

    I don’t take it out as much as I used too (reference the brass situation) but it is fun to shoot when I do as it is exceedingly accurate and well balanced.

    It just floats to the shoulder.

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    Looks like we 405 shooters need to write Starline on a repeated schedule asking them to please consider a run of 405 brass.
    I will do so today.
    "Come unto Me, all you who labor and are heavy burdened, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28
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    And so I did..... Should there be enough requests they will run us a batch. And when they do I will buy a box of 500 and smile my way along for the rest of my days.
    "Come unto Me, all you who labor and are heavy burdened, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28
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    I've been sending Starline requests for 45/75 for several years, never a reply, never any brass, but good luck.

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