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Thread: 38 Spcl. Shotshells - CCI vs "Home made"

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    38 Spcl. Shotshells - CCI vs "Home made"

    I did some recent testing with some shotshells that I just reloaded, and also some factory CCI 38 spcl. shotshells.
    I shot them from my Ruger SP101 2-1/4" barrel.

    I used 38 spcl. cases
    5.0 grains of HP38
    90 grains of #7-1/2 shot (from a shotgun shell)

    The CCI shotshell uses #9 shot, as I recall.

    Here is a couple of pictures showing the difference between the two:

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    On the left is the CCI Shotshell. On the right is my "home made" shotshell result.
    Click on a picture and it should expand to a bigger picture.

    There is a definite difference in the two shot sizes.
    The #7-1/2 shot gave a tighter group. Perhaps because of the heavier shot.

    Anyway, I am happy with these and thought you folks would be interested.
    1A - 2A = -1A

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    Thanks for sharing. I haven't been able to find the Speer shot capsules for a long time. Did you use capsules, or some other method?

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    For my use, the 357 speer shot shells are not stout enough for my varmints.. will roll a Squirrel, or a similar size rat... but they do Not stay Down.. the 44Spl is the smallest ctg, with the Speer capsules... loaded with no.9's, that will plant a fair sized barn rat.. and smokes squirrels.. Yer critters size may vary!!

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    Thanks for posting. Your shell is getting great results. I also load my own and prefer No.8 shot.

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    I loaded some in .357 cases with only 2 grns of Red Dot for a friend in Kentucky and gave them to him. I had read that the lighter charge helps keep the pattern tighter. He hates snakes and lived very near Kentucky Lake. They must have worked. He reported many dead snakes along the shore of the lake. He was using a 4" Smith & Wesson which I now have. Sadly he is no longer with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bull-Moose View Post
    Thanks for sharing. I haven't been able to find the Speer shot capsules for a long time. Did you use capsules, or some other method?
    The CCI Shotshells that were used were the factory rounds that you buy....if you can find them.
    If you can find them, CCI also sells the plastic empty "capsules" that you can load yourself and press them into the casing.

    For my home made shotsells I used:
    38 spcl. cases
    Added 5.0 grains of HP38 powder
    I then topped that with a thin cardboard disk that I punched out using a 3/8" hole punch.
    I used a pin punch that just fit into the case to "tamp down" the cardboard disk and powder.
    I then added 90 grains of #7-1/2 shot
    Topped that off with another cardboard disk and tamped that down also.
    Then finished it up with a heavy crimp to roll the case mouth over enough to hold everything in.
    1A - 2A = -1A

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    I have used Speer Shot Cups and "rolled my own" with out. I went ahead and sucked it up years ago and bought a 5lb bag of Lawrence 12# Shot. Talk about shredding snakes.

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    Has anyone tried the shotshell kits from sagesoutdoors? Ive been looking at them hard for a while now for .44 mag and .357. Im debating on charge weight and the metal disc vs cardboard disc between powder and shot column and overwad? Any educated oppinions or first hand recomendations?
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    Rizzo,

    Excellent post! Here in northcentral PA we have rattlers and a few copperheads. In the .38 Special case I found the load of Unique, a gas check and a dose of #6 or 7.5 shot and another gas check and a crimp makes my snakes turn themselves into knots.

    I found some shot capsules did not shatter enough on firing to give a good pattern at 10-20 feet. The gas checks sealed the deal perfectly.

    Adam
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    I believe one of the members here (LarryGibson?) made shot capsules from milk jugs. Been a long while so not 100% sure.

    BTW enjoy these kinds of posts.
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    I make my own #8 shot and load 38/357, 10MM, 44Spl/Mag and 45 LC with card over powder and inverted GC over shot using an appropriate load of Bullseye. Perfect snake and small vermin medicine.
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    I make these by sharpening a cartridge shell inside and out with a champher tool. Then use the cartridge to punch out paper disks with a rubber hammer and soft pine wood, use the weight of paper that primer sleeves are made of. Size your brass, 5 grains of 231 (for 38 spl), push down a paper disk, fill almost to the rim with 9 shot, then another paper disk. Seal with super glue and let stand to cure... no crimp. Very mild, almost no felt recoil, but at 6 feet a snake, rat, whatever has no chance. At reload, the brass will have no signs of the glue and not even really need to be resized.

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    Superglue has good tensile strength, almost no shear strength, that's why. Lots of other options that would work as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt.Red.44 View Post
    Has anyone tried the shotshell kits from sagesoutdoors? Ive been looking at them hard for a while now for .44 mag and .357. Im debating on charge weight and the metal disc vs cardboard disc between powder and shot column and overwad? Any educated oppinions or first hand recomendations?
    i've used these.
    i like the gas check looking disc over the shot.

    i use 7 1/2 shot.
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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
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