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    Springer Air Rifles

    With all the doom & gloom concerning availability of powder and primers, I dusted off the Diana 52 (side cocking) and was suprised how accurate it is out to 40yds. Mine is fitted with anschutz small bore aperature and loaded with the heavy H&N Baracuda 10.6gn pellets.
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    As much as I lust after these newer PCP rifles there's just something about having the power plant and all right there with one stroke.
    I keep talking myself out of spending $600 dollars for one of the really nice springers. My Benjamin gas spring with the plastic stock
    sure has killed lots of squirrels even without any elegance.

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    I have yet to take the step over to the dark side (PCP)

    I have a pair of Hatsan's that are a joy to shoot.
    A noisy but dirt cheap B3 underlever that is not too bad. A pair of pump up 1322's with shoulder stocks that are downright impressive.

    And best of them all my early 70's model Sheridan Blue Streak. Which will still put 5 in one ragged hole if I do my bit.

    I get one out and shoot them off and on through the winter. I have a fairly nice indoor 25' range with spoon spinners, steel targets to knock down. And one 4x4 electrical box cover that is tough as nails and has a very nice "Clang" to it when hit. Plus clips for paper targets.

    I was however shocked to see the price of 500 Crossman Premier Hollow Points at Amazon yesterday. 25$ for a tin. Same as .22lr was not long ago. I did most of my stocking when they were in the 4-5 $ per 500 range. Penny apiece. No powder or primers needed.

    Self Contained, just need pellets and at need I can cast .22 round balls from a sharpshooter .22 buckshot mold. They shoot even better than the pellets!
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    I use my Air Arms TX200 as a pest control rifle.



    A lot of guys use 22 rimfire and centerfire. I use them too but Since it is a part time business I have to do it as cheap as I can. So I use the rimfire and the centerfire, but I use them to take out the adults and then go in with the Air Rifle to clean out the colony.


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    Ron: You are a Chuck Killing Machine! and that gun you shoot is the best reason why guys just getting in should look to spend a little more and have something that works the way you'd expect, and a gun you can be proud to own, the same as if it was a fine Firearm..

    Walmart is NOT selling these guns, and Gamo or China is not making them either.

    How many rounds have you fired thru that gun? Bet it's in the thousands?

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    I bought a Hatsan last year and am still getting used to it. That Air Arms TX200 shown is pretty sweet and looks to be more than a up to the task. Well done sir!
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    Shoot at home and avoid the virus, is what i did for a year. Rifle & pistol. Great gun, the Beeman P17. The Remington Vantage 1200 - 177 is priced right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W.R.Buchanan View Post
    Ron: You are a Chuck Killing Machine! and that gun you shoot is the best reason why guys just getting in should look to spend a little more and have something that works the way you'd expect, and a gun you can be proud to own, the same as if it was a fine Firearm..

    Walmart is NOT selling these guns, and Gamo or China is not making them either.

    How many rounds have you fired thru that gun? Bet it's in the thousands?

    Randy
    Amen to that Randy, lovin' my Weihrauch 95 more and more as time goes by! I know people have budgets, you can't spend what you don't have, I get it. That's why I bought this rifle with my stimulus check, there's almost $800 in it with scope, base, rings, shipping tax, etc. But, man, what a rifle! I almost bought the nitro-piston Crosman for $104 but I am happy I spent the money on the Weihrauch. 10/22 or Anschutz, they'll do the same job, you get what you pay for. And, I'm not giving China any more of my money......
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    Would seem a lot of folk have used their stimulus money for that. In the last few days ALL the higher end springer guns I've searched for are
    out of stock except one that is in .25 and I'm not wanting one of those

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    Quote Originally Posted by 243winxb View Post
    Shoot at home and avoid the virus, is what i did for a year. Rifle & pistol. Great gun, the Beeman P17. The Remington Vantage 1200 - 177 is priced right.
    I have one of those Beemans, nice rifle but the sights leave a bit to be desired. My daughter bought me a scope for it a couple of years ago. I have yet to hunt with it, but plan to now that PA allows air guns for small game.

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    Springer Air Rifles

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostHawk View Post
    I have yet to take the step over to the dark side (PCP)

    I have a pair of Hatsan's that are a joy to shoot.
    A noisy but dirt cheap B3 underlever that is not too bad. A pair of pump up 1322's with shoulder stocks that are downright impressive.

    And best of them all my early 70's model Sheridan Blue Streak. Which will still put 5 in one ragged hole if I do my bit.

    I get one out and shoot them off and on through the winter. I have a fairly nice indoor 25' range with spoon spinners, steel targets to knock down. And one 4x4 electrical box cover that is tough as nails and has a very nice "Clang" to it when hit. Plus clips for paper targets.

    I was however shocked to see the price of 500 Crossman Premier Hollow Points at Amazon yesterday. 25$ for a tin. Same as .22lr was not long ago. I did most of my stocking when they were in the 4-5 $ per 500 range. Penny apiece. No powder or primers needed.

    Self Contained, just need pellets and at need I can cast .22 round balls from a sharpshooter .22 buckshot mold. They shoot even better than the pellets!
    I found a discount store that had cheap chyna pellets. 200/$1.50 & 2000/$15. I bought every last pellet there!
    I also have one of them ugly underlevers. It does ok . Picked up a chyneez Beeman switch barrel, .177/.22. It was under $90 & had a 4x scope. I upgraded the scope and am really enjoying it. My Sheridan needs new seals.
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    I bought a ‘Beeman’ Springer made in Spain .22 cal. at WalMart 20 years ago has a set trigger and a beechwood stock.It will shoot through 1/2” OSB at 25 yards with Terminator pellets. I had read a article on shooting springer air guns and using a ‘ Artillery Hold’ . It improved my accuracy tremendously holding the rifle correctly was the one single best accuracy improvement I have made on any gun.
    Last edited by Randy Bohannon; 05-25-2021 at 10:17 AM.

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    I have 4 Springers, 2 HW35's a HW77 and a Beeman R1/ HW 80. They all are a joy to shoot and will outlast me for sure.

    But the "value in use" is where it is at. I sometimes talk about "Tactile Gratification" which is the joy that is delivered by the way something feels in your hands. This is a real concept and is illustrated in guns by increasing as the cost of the gun goes up. IE: difference between a Rem 870 and a Krieghoff K32.

    One feels alive in your hands and the other just sits there. Both shoot, but one delivers more "Tactile Gratification" than the other does, and thus commands a higher price. Looks are important as well and come under the heading of "Eye Candy." Hence highly figured furniture and engraving on higher grade guns.

    Some people don't get this and that's fine, however those who do get it, will have a more rewarding relationship with their guns. In order to fully realize this, one must educate themselves on what is good and what is not. This will require a hands on approach and handling as many higher end guns as possible in order to physically see the differences, and understand the nuances of the Gun Makers Art.

    Sometimes it just comes down to trial and error, and you have to dip your toe in the water to see if you're gonna want more.

    It's all up to YOU!

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    Aint nuffen wrong with a good springer BAW

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    Idahoron... If you're still following this, would you be kind enough to elaborate on how you decided on the TX200?
    Been itching for a higher end springer and narrowed down to 4 or 5, one being the HW97. I'd never even considered the TX200.
    Was the HW97 one you considered? If so, what made you choose the TX200? It's a very impressive looking rifle BTW

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    The TX200 is a fine rifle, you wouldn't go wrong in selecting it. I had considered it, among others, before settling on the HW95. The choice for me was, I wanted a "carrying around" hunting rifle, a "walkin' thru' the woods" rifle". Weight was a factor in that. The HW95 was 7.5 pounds with iron sights, 9.1 pounds with a scope mounted. The TX200 was 9.3 pounds out of the box, no sights, no scope. All things considered, the HW95 gave me the lightest gun at the power level that I was looking for. I'm not biased against Air Arms, mind you, I'm biased against carrying a havier gun than I need to.
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    Have a few pistols and rifles: PCP, spring ram, SSP, even a C02 to mimic the M17. Each has a purpose and some were just to see what the hype was about at the time. RWS and HW for hunting or plinking due to the weight or calibers. Pardini, Baikal, ot FWB for 10m paper punching, then the co2 Sigs for closer range combat training.

    Also agree about break barrel springers for hunting. Started with a DIANA 48 and then to a DIANA 34 AND WHAT A DIFFERENCE in weight! Then wanted to see what the hubbub was about so bought a HW95 which IS much nicer than the DIANA. Then just because I wanted to try an underlever, i picked up a HW77k for a field Target build. I do like the safety of the DIANA side lever anti-beartrap mechanism over the HW.

    Between the HW95 and Diana 34, would save up a bit more for the HW. If unable, then the 34 will still get the job done but out of the box the HW has a smoother shot cycle and better sights. Tuning kits are available for both to tame them down a bit but the HW's are a bit easier to disassemble and reassemble and are higher quality.

    If wanting to Target practice, look into the MantisX or SCATT systems. No extra costs for consumables and backstops aren't required...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chutesnreloads View Post
    Idahoron... If you're still following this, would you be kind enough to elaborate on how you decided on the TX200?
    Been itching for a higher end springer and narrowed down to 4 or 5, one being the HW97. I'd never even considered the TX200.
    Was the HW97 one you considered? If so, what made you choose the TX200? It's a very impressive looking rifle BTW

    I'm sorry I didn't see this.
    Back when I got my first adult air rifle I got a Winchester 1100, it was junk. Then I got a Benjamin trail NP. That one pretty much was junk that took longer to turn to junk than the Winchester. Then I got a Hatsan 125TH. That gun made it less than 100 rounds before the scope mount fell off.
    I was up to my arm pits in skunks and rock chucks.



    It was then that I decided to look at what rifles were being used that were the top of the Field Target competitions. The TX200 was and is at the top. That price was higher than almost any powder burning rifle I have ever bought. I was gun shy I won't deny that. What pushed me over the top was not accuracy or quality. What pushed me to buy the TX200 was this video.

    https://youtu.be/fg2U78vl67I

    The ability to rebuild the rifle without a lot of tools and fuss was it. I could buy the gun, then get a rebuild kit or maybe even two. Then I would have a gun that my great grandkids would be using.
    At first I bought two 150 dollar guns and one 300 dollar guns. I had 600 dollars in guns that were absolute garbage. If I would have bought the TX200 from the start it would have been cheaper. But no I bought lesser quality guns. I bought lessor quality mounts, and scopes. All the scopes are in the trash. The Hatsan was sent back. The Winchester is still working but you can't hit anything with it. The Benjamin broke its self up. Parts are cracked and it won't hold a group the size of an orange at 10 yards.
    The TX200 is heavy. But that weight helps reduce recoil. The lower power level and increased weight has allowed me to use the first scope for 5000 rounds. The Vortex Diamondback that is on it now has about 3000 rounds. the rifle is at 8000 rounds with the factory guts in it. I have a rebuild kit sitting on the shelf. ANd I chronograph it regularly to make sure it is staying where it is supposed to be. If it falls off I will rebuild.
    I am now a part time Crop Loss prevention specialist. I shoot chucks and get paid. The TX200 is the reason I have this job. Farmers contact me to help them. I can't kill them all but I can push the numbers so far back it takes a few years to come back. Or they can pay me every year to keep them pruned back to not see damage to crops. Over the last two years I have refined my technique. I use a 17 HMR to kill the adults in the colony. Then I use the TX200 to wipe out all the young. If they get a little gun shy then I break out the 17 Hornet and finish the colony. At 5 dollars a head I get the biggest bang from the TX200. Last year the rifle made me by its self 800 dollars. This year will be MUCH less because the farms are in better shape. The TX200 is an industrial grade gun. It is strong as a safe and accurate as a PCP. plus it has Hollywood beauty.

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    Thank you for your response. It was worth the wait. Still looking at German made guns but the TX200 is now a consideration.
    I especially appreciate the mention of weight and a little less power helping preserve the optics. Right now my Benjamin "Nitro-Piston"
    is getting the job done but just isn't fun to shoot and yes, it has been rough on optics

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    I shoot a TX200. Im strictly an off hand target shoooter. The gun is set up with a 24x Weaver for sillhouette. I have a 12lb spring kit and the trigger has been professionally tuned. 95% of my shooting is @ the 45yd ram. I shoot this gun very well and will never sell it. For me the HW97 feels better in my hands. It shoulders and points better.

    Some day I will buy another 77 or 97.

    By chance I ended up with the tx200.

    Just sharing my experience and prospective. For me the HW97 is a better gun

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