.358 Win "Scout rifle"?

[tuckerdog]

Just wondering what rifling twist ya'all would recommend for an 18" bbl in .358 Win. Wish to do something along the lines of Rugers scout rifle. If I can find a Ruger that folks didn't think was made of gold I will use it as the donor action. Boolit up for consideration would be Ranch Dogs 230grn fn. I am thinking 1 in 14". What say the gurus with more knowledge than I?

[farmbif]

I'm no guru or expert but 1-14" sounds right, that's what my 35 whelen is and it shoots 200-250gr slugs real well.

[rintinglen]

As a cast boolit shooter, I'd go 1-14 or 1-16. For general purpose I'd go 1-12. If I had me heart set on launching really heavy--250 and up grain--jacketed, I'd go 1-10. For your boolit, I'd say that the 1-14 twist would be as good as any and better than most.

[pietro]

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FWIW, ALL Ruger boltguns in .358W are made of gold !

I would respectfully suggest getting any less expensive common chambered short-action Ruger Model 77 and have the barrel re-bored to .358 & rifled to your druthers.

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[MostlyLeverGuns]

My Savage 99 358 has a 1-12, Marlin 336 35 Rem 1-16, the Rem700 35 Whelen 1-16, I am rebarreling a Savage Lightweight 270 to 35 Whelen with a 1-14. Rumor/interent says 1-16 may not be enough for the 'long' 35 bullets - 250gr plus. The 1-16 does very well with the Speer 220 Flatnose at 2100fps and of course the 200/210 Flatnose cast from the 'standard' 358 flatnose mold from Lee/RCBS/NOE... I do shoot that 'standard' cast 200 flatnose in my 358 Savage 99 1-12 with good accuracy. I have not found a need/want for more than the 225 Partition for elk or moose so 1-14, maybe 1-16 would be my .35 cal choice, depending on how heavy/long a bullet you expect to shoot.

[Tatume]

In my experience the RCBS 35-200-FN (and clones) is perfect for everything for which the 358 Winchester is suited.

[tuckerdog]

The plan - re barreled to 358 win. I just thought a scout rifle as the base and simply re barreling so it starts with detachable mag. would be preferable to converting from hinged floor plate. I was thinking since this will be a dedicated cast shooter with 230-250grn slugs the 1-14 would be ideal. 4 groove? 6? I will be talking with a couple of local smiths about it. I am not adverse to running a Rem or Win action. The only things I want in stone are 18"bbl and detachable box mag of a readily available type. (Hoping .308 mags will work with little or no tweaking with larger dia boolit)

[Texas by God]

Except for the Scout scope mounting ( which you lose by rebarreling a Scout)- I think a Ruger American .243, 7mm-08, or .308 could be sent to JES( like Pietro said) to become the .358 Win. The barrel could be cut beforehand to 18".
The .358 is such a good cartridge.

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[Fitz]

I have a 18" wilson 358 win. in the AR-10 platform that shoots 250 gr powder coat NOE bullet it has the 1-14 twist ,and I have a Savage 110 with a 358 Shilen barrel that also has a 1-14 twist that I shoot 320 gr. paper patched bullets in both rifles will give 1 inch groups at 100 yards and are very hard on the Hog population

[Fastleo]

I have a model 70 with a 1-10 twist Douglas barrel, I’ve yet to shoot it as finding a set of dies for it has been un fruitful. I’ve read that rcbs is the way to go for re forming.

[megasupermagnum]

Any reason you want the Ruger? I'm a big Ruger fan myself, but I'm not impressed by their scout rifle at all. If cost was a concern, I think Mossberg did a much better job. I really liked the Savage model 10 scout, but now it seems they went instead for the model 110 scout, which appears to about a full pound heavier.

I'll vote for 1:14" or 1:15" twist rate.

[tuckerdog]

Any reason you want the Ruger? I'm a big Ruger fan myself, but I'm not impressed by their scout rifle at all. If cost was a concern, I think Mossberg did a much better job. I really liked the Savage model 10 scout, but now it seems they went instead for the model 110 scout, which appears to about a full pound heavier.

I'll vote for 1:14" or 1:15" twist rate.

I would be fine with any good strong action. The Ruger was mentioned as a possible "quick" rebarrel with the features I want already there.

[Mk42gunner]

IIRC the "specified" twist for the .358 Win is supposed to be 1:12, which I think is a bit fast if you aren't planning on shooting 300+ grain projectiles. Remington went with 1:16 when they legitimized the Whelen, which I think is a bit slow (probably because that is what they use for the .35 Rem).

I built my Whelen on a 98 Mauser and used a 1:14 twist barrel. I have been totally satisfied with it; and if I knew then what I know now, it would have been a .358 Win.

Robert

[waksupi]

I've built .358 Win's with both 1-12 and 1-14. Both shoot well.

[ackleyman]

OP, Do you realize that with the scout rifle set up with the extended eye relief scope, the dim light situation is made MUCH worse?!

It was a real shock to me on my first Scout rifle, 8x57 German Mauser repurposed

[waksupi]

OP, Do you realize that with the scout rifle set up with the extended eye relief scope, the dim light situation is made MUCH worse?!

It was a real shock to me on my first Scout rifle, 8x57 German Mauser repurposed

t certainly does cut down your field of view. I prefer aperture sights.

[Cosmic_Charlie]

Maybe choose a donor rifle with a center feeding magazine. Less feeding problems with flat nosed boolits. And a Leupold VX3 i 1.5 × 5 scope would do everything a scout scope can do and more.

[Plumb Center]

My old Win 88 in 358 has1-12 twist and it handles everything from 200 to 300 gr. very well. Especially likes the Lyman 358009 280 gr.

[MrHarmless]

t certainly does cut down your field of view. I prefer aperture sights.

The Scout Scope is, in theory, supposed to act as a optical corollary to an aperture sight. Quick acquisition at low magnification. With the added benefit of having increased magnification available.

Definitely a niche application since red dots came along.

[tuckerdog]

I am aware of the limitations of a "scout" platform. I am simply going through my "midlife crisis" I have been married to a VERY understanding wife for a few decades so the little red Corvette and blonde bimbo are out. My next project is to see if I can find someone willing to turn a Mosin into a 444 marlin cast shooter and make it feed and function properly. Picked one up "in a basket" a few years ago for $25 in a yard sale and haven't even taken it out of the "basket" yet. Thanks for the input folks! Don't get on here much due to schedule but always refreshing and informative!