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    Water glass and other glues

    Once again I need the guidance from you fine folks. I have my great grandfathers Hopkins Allen 12ga side by side. I know they were not the best shotguns available but this one has some family history so I want to shoot it. I am going to shoot it with a black powder load. I have a box of brass 12ga hulls I have never used so I want to try them. From what I have found in my research these traditionally had the overshot card glued down with water glass glue. I have tracked down water glass. It seems to come by the gallon. I don't need a gallon. What are you guys using for glue?

    I want to get these loads worked out so his (my great grandfather) great-great-great-grandson can shoot the gun!


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    When I worked in pharmacy, we sold water glass by the quart. We kept it behind the counter, and you had to ask for it. Call around.

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    If you do shop around you'll have better luck if you ask for sodium silicate liquid. Here's a link to it relatively cheap

    https://www.sciencecompany.com/Sodiu...6oz-P6375.aspx

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    Make it yourself

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    I got some Duco cement off Amazon to try, haven't used it yet, but plan on trying it with brass blackpowder loads.

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    How do you make it?

    Quote Originally Posted by tomme boy View Post
    Make it yourself
    Hey Tomme,
    How do you make water glass yourself? When I was a kid we used to buy it in a small bottle from the Rexall drug store in fabulous downtown Savanna.

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    It's often used for heating equipment. I have about a dozen 4oz bottles. These are the ones I have https://www.supplyhouse.com/Lynn-Man...le-Water-Glass

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    Waterglass is the only thing I found that would hold the OSC in place from recoil of the other barrels. Yes, barrels. I also shoot brass cases in a BP proofed drilling. Any othe glue short of epoxy, which I never used, gave up after a shot or two.

    I bought about a pint bottle from somewhere about 3 years ago. Seems like it was less than $20.00.

    If you get a larger bottle be sure to shake it up good and rotate the bottle about once a week. Otherwise it will go gooey and separate then be useless.
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    First time I ever heard of water glass glue. Learn a lot in this place. Thanks.
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    It's one of the oldest glues around....if you can call it a "glue" based on our modern chemistry technologies! Still in use though.

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    Well. after getting an online degree on water glass I found some. It is evidently in common use as a cement floor sealer. I got a jug off of Amazon for $20. I will have plenty if anyone else needs some.

    The great experiment goes on!!
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    As I recall it was used in the old days to preserve fresh eggs as well.

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    You use it with vermiculite to make firebricks

    How to make it.

    https://youtu.be/Ip-jDuM25FE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newtire View Post
    Hey Tomme,
    How do you make water glass yourself? When I was a kid we used to buy it in a small bottle from the Rexall drug store in fabulous downtown Savanna.
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    I have tried danged near everything under the sun for 20 + years, for sealing my overshot wads in my brass cases .
    I settled on silicone sealant many years ago for my hunting loads. I carry them upside down in a cartridge belt and no amount of jostling or recoil with dislodge the overshot wad.
    I just take a small swipe around the wad when I seat it, then let the cases sit overnight.
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    We always had a car. truck, or tractor that had a leaky radiator, and Dad has us get a pint of waterglass at the RX and pour it down the hot radiator. If there was no antifreeze it would fix a leak. But if you put antifreeze in it the waterglass failed and you had a mess. My friend who shoots his 1883 Remington Dbl uses paper hulls. They work great. Watched him break 23 out of 25 at the handicap line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David todd View Post
    I have tried danged near everything under the sun for 20 + years, for sealing my overshot wads in my brass cases .
    I settled on silicone sealant many years ago for my hunting loads. I carry them upside down in a cartridge belt and no amount of jostling or recoil with dislodge the overshot wad.
    I just take a small swipe around the wad when I seat it, then let the cases sit overnight.
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    I use a squirt of Duco Cement on mine. Works for me.
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    For another use we used to paint it on the inside of cardboard tubes when making rocket motors. I see a 4 oz bottle is $11 on ebay delivered.

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