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Thread: 1st shot flier ????

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    1st shot flier ????

    Ive been shooting the crap out of a bersa 380,,little sucker shoots way better then it ought to!but alas,it will shoot the 1st shot,about 2 to 3 inches high,this is everytime,so i know it has to do with manually chambering and rackung slide.this being a fixed barrell gun,has me awful curious why it does it.

    Anybody hadthis issue before?

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    Just shoot the first shot into the backstop, drop the mag and put extra round in the gun and then you will be set. I know that is a simplistic answer but what else could you do that would be more simple?
    At self defense distances does it really hurt anything for it to puke on the first shot as long as it fires reliably?
    It is odd though.
    We Know Mass Cannot Be Weighed But It Has Newtonian Weight And That Is Derived From Kilograms And Kilograms Can Be Converted to Pounds. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed. But How is the kilograms obtained? Can Kilograms Be Weighed? Evidentally Yes It Can. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed So Kilograms Must Not Exist. Funny Isn't It.
    One good thing out of this the next time I'm at the doctors and they want to weigh me I'll tell them mass cannot be weighed.

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    All kinds of auto loaders tend to throw the first round somewhere out of the group. The problem is as old as autoloaders and I doubt anyone has the definitive answer. I too have a Bersa among my Colts and Savage and other odds and ends and am not concerned about it as I doubt I will get a one shot stop any way.
    To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, the trouble with many shooting experts is not that they're ignorant; its just that they know so much that isn't so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Cash View Post
    All kinds of auto loaders tend to throw the first round somewhere out of the group. The problem is as old as autoloaders and I doubt anyone has the definitive answer. I too have a Bersa among my Colts and Savage and other odds and ends and am not concerned about it as I doubt I will get a one shot stop any way.
    Ya,,i know it happens,,but this gun does it everytime.with a fixed barrell,,then this has to be slide not shutting hard enough,by hand.i just thought it was intresting to share.

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    Are you following the slide home (still holding on as it chambers the first round)? I let my off hand come off the back of the slide so the first round clambering is under the same forces as any subsequent round, just my thoughts, hope it helps,

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    Tried it every different way there is,same thing.if i slow mo,easily let the slide foward,,it will shoot high,but no more so then letting it slam.this is intresting to me.

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    recoil and slide movement combination, slide isnt seating the same from hand chamber to fired. Another area to look at is mags. Try leaving mag one short and shooting.

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    Perhaps the rounds after the first shot are experiencing a small amount of setback due to higher slide velocity returning to battery. I’m thinking when fired, the slide bounces when it contacts the frame at the end of it’s rearward travel like a ball bouncing when dropped on the floor. Hand racking the first round would not have the extra energy bc the slide would be at rest before being released to travel forward under only force from recoil spring.

    In addition, when releasing the slide by hand there will be a little bit of slide travel forward as the hand pressure is relieved probably in microseconds. During that brief period the slide will be dragging against skin friction. Small amount of difference for sure, but it adds in the direction of reducing slide velocity.

    A test would be to measure the over-all length of 2 cartridges. They should be within a couple of thousandths of each other. Load both into the magazine, manually rack the first, fire, eject the second, measure and see if there is set back.

    Probably won’t be and this theory will evaporate.
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