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Thread: $180 brick of 22lr

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    Boolit Grand Master FergusonTO35's Avatar
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    Boonesborough, KY
    Quote Originally Posted by 15meter View Post
    Around here the Remington Thunderbolts are referred to respectfully as "Thunderduds".
    Thunderduds are the best cheap ammo for my rifles. They group decent and operate my autoloaders. Pistols, fuhgeddaboutit. They must use a slower powder than most, as I get an awful lot of weak rounds when firing them out of a short barrel. I really like the Golden Bullet 40 grain rounds, they are much cleaner and shoot about as good as anything else. Unfortunately they are pretty rare here.

    Ugh, I think we about to hit another guns and ammo panic here. Toilet paper hoarding is already starting up again!
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF.

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    Boolit Master uscra112's Avatar
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    .22LR rifle and pistol ammo are indeed two different kettles of fish. Pistol ammo does indeed use faster powder.

    Read an article this morning about a zinc smelter shutting down over supply chain problems. Brass is copper and zinc. No zinc, no brass. No brass, no ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uscra112 View Post
    Amateurs say Quality control, professionals say Process control. Quality comes from intensive inspection of each and every step in the mfg. process, (there are hundreds, just making .22 ammo), and taking prompt corrective action if something starts to drift off. In my career in the automotive powertrain field, corrective action often started when a dimension spread exceeded just 10% of the Tolerance. Not exceeded the Tolerance by 10%, but exceeded 10% of the Tolerance. If you work that way, you never make a bad part, and final inspection becomes irrelevant. Remington was clearly ignoring this. I know from a statistical study of Thunderbolts that I did about six years ago that they were using bullets taken from multiple swaging machines which differed in average weight by as much a 2 grains! They apparently weren't even bothering to check. Unforgivable! What else were they letting slide?

    Let's hope the new owners do better.
    Experts know it is truly Quality Control and understand Process Control is just one part of Quality Control. Inspection is another, Source Control is another, another is Training and Certification. Failure investigation, Cause and Corrective Actions. To have high quality everyone in the company needs to understand Quality is Job One and it is everyone's job to make sure you produce a Quality Product. If you or your position cause a defect, halt the line reject the product yourself. Don't leave it to Inspection to catch to defects.

    The thing the most hurts the quality of a product is a mindset that says cost, quotas and schedule are more important than Quality.

    The idea of a 100% money back guarantee just makes you their final inspector. Great customer service is getting it right the first time.

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check