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Thread: Dipping my toes into PCP Air Guns

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    Sure glad my Xisico Sentry 705-9K .22 likes the cheap Daisy PrecisionMax HP's. I can get headshots on ground squirrels at 50yds if the wind aint blowing and I've got something to rest on. Last bogo sale they had, I paid $6.13 per tin of 500 shipped so stocked up another 4000 rounds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chutesnreloads View Post
    Any reason you've not tried the wadcutter pellets? If your gun likes them they can really perform for 25 yards and under.
    I tried the RWS target pellets and shot two groups....pathetic. Stopped after those 10 shots. From what I have read, wadcutters do not shoot accurately past 25 yards and I wanted at least a 50 yard gun.
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    I posted this in the wrong thread but it fits both so...

    I got a 25 caliber Benjamin Marauder rifle, I tweaked it for the most energy, and hit an old she coon square in the top of her forehead, right in the center of the "X" (lines drawn between eyes and ears) with a 37gr Eunjin pellet and she recoiled hard and waddled off. I thought WTH???? Found her a day later around the front of the house, the buzzards were dragging her out of the bushes. I looked at the spot on her head, it was soft and about the size of a nickel but there was no penetration. I was quite surprised to see a coon soak up that much of a hit to the head and still waddle off.

    After a good long while tweaking and shopping, I ended up with a very high performance Cothran valve and a 1/4" transfer port which is sized to the bore volume all the way from the valve to the breech. Only gets about 6 shots on a 3,000psi fill but boy do they thump! I seriously doubt another coon or even a 'yote would get away from it with a head shot anywhere near the cranium.

    That one was so much fun I invested in a Benjamin Marauder 22 caliber pistol and put the included shoulder stock on it. Scoped these are REALLY FUN!! Yes it's tweaked and the t-port drilled out some for more volume of air to the breech, and I use it for tree rat control around the garden. They get bold and quite destructive when the 'maters are ripe, between the Benjamin and the lifelike owl decoy, they didn't get ANY 'maters this year!

    I debated the possibilities for an air supply and settled on a 4500lb SCBE tank that I get filled at the dive shop. Now that I have moved, I am 50mi from the dive shop and need to find another source of air. I can get quite a few 3,000psi fills for both Benjamins before the pressure drops to 3,000psi in the tank.
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    Thought I should give a recap of where things stand....and also thank NSB for his advice and help. I would like to indulge in a bit of thread drift as well....

    NSB and I are at different ends of the political spectrum. I know he has taken criticism from some on this forum. Having opposite political views does not make the other person worthless, stupid or evil. It is easy to get our undies in a knot over what is happening to our country. Even easier to paint everyone who disagrees with the same brush....and we all lose when we do that. I gained a lot of respect for NSB as a man during this journey. He has been generous with his time, knowledge, and material resources. He never made me feel dumb...and I can be dumb...LOL. And NSB is a lot better shooter than I am. Thank you sir for helping this "Deplorable" learn not just about PCPs, but that we are all Americans and brothers in arms!

    On to the gun stuff....

    I have shot 168 groups at 50 yards with the Daystate. It is a fine rifle and it should be for $1000. With pellets that shot "decently" those 168 groups averaged .76". The gun has met my goal for a sub 1" platform. With pellets it "likes" I think I can get to .65" average group size for 25 groups. NSB can shoot in the .5" range so that puts into perspective what a 'real' shooter can do vs a hack. I have no regrets with the gun. Also want to share that Airguns of Arizona have been excellent to deal with on the issues I had with the gun....which were my fault.

    The DAR has not had much use lately as the Daystate has me chasing that .5" goal before the snow flies....damn NSB...LOL. The DAR is an excellent gun for the money ($300). I have fired 25 groups at 50 yards and it is averaging .90". Last week the DAR lost air pressure....likely a bad seal...but I have not torn into it yet. The trigger is not great but it can be tuned if it bothers you. Information on the trigger is on the Gateway to Airguns site. With my very limited knowledge it seems one of the best buys out there if you want to "dip your toes in PCP's."

    BTW the DAR was my first choice until that "bastard" NSB told me about the Daystate. I likely would have been happy enough with the DAR, but it is not in the same class. Like I said, I have no regrets getting the better rifle but if you are on a tight budget the DAR is a very good option.
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    Tried a new pellet because they were so cheap ($6.24/500) Crosman .22 Premier Hollow Point 14.3 gr.

    I could not order more than 3-4 tins at a time and sometimes it would be a few days before Amazon would let me reorder. Ghosthawk came to my rescue and got me 10 tins....I cannot figure out how he did that. Anyway, at the price ($6.24/500) I decide to roll the dice.

    A few days ago I got my original two orders, 4 tins for $26.44 & 3 tins at $19.83 delivered. Got out yesterday and shot a few groups. I had a quartering wind at 4-8 mph. Will do more testing when I get a calmer day.

    At 25 yards, the DAR averaged .46" for 10 five shot groups with the smallest coming in at .27"
    At 25 yards, the Daystate averaged .40" for 5 five shot groups with the smallest at .27"
    At 50 yards, the Daystate averaged .77" for 5 five shot groups with the smallest at .64"

    My gamble paid off. That accuracy is not bad for plinking or hunting out to 50 yards. The Crosman Domed pellet are a bit more accurate but almost twice the price. I will still use premium pellets in the Daystate for hunting as they are less affected by wind and are a bit more accurate.

    I have 8 more tins ordered in addition to the 10 Ghosthawk acquired for me. Putting me at 25 tins (12.5k pellets) at a cost of $156. Three to four tank fills (@ $10 each) will be needed to fire them. That works out to about $200 for 12.5k shots. I will get at least another 8 tins if I can.

    I did not do any pellet inspection or sorting. I plan on doing that to see if it matters. I am also going to try a light coating of Ballistol and another test with BLL. Even if there is no improvement in accuracy, it is reported that lubed pellets reduce barrel cleaning and it is simple enough to do.

    The Daystate continues to shoot well. The DAR has a leak from the fill port. It holds pressure if I leave the tank connected so that was how I shot the groups yesterday. I will contact DAR to see if it is an easy fix I can handle to if I need to send it back.
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    Will the Ballistol or BLL cause any "dieseling"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparky45 View Post
    Will the Ballistol or BLL cause any "dieseling"?
    I know Ballistol is safe in small quantities. It is a recommended cleaner for air gun barrels.

    BLL is likely not something the air gun community would know about and I have never seen it mentioned. I would be applying it very lightly, not like lubing a cast bullet.

    I will report back on both trials and hope to get them done in a week or so.
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    Thanks for the update. I wouldn't expect dieseling to be an issue but am curious to see the results as far as accuracy and fouling.
    I'm still considering ordering the pellet sizers from NOE to see if any improvement can be made on the almost
    good enough pellets

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    If I was to use BLL or thinned Alox on pellets I would sun cure them for a day to make sure all volatilizes have evaporated before firing them. With a smoke burner its not an issue.

    And I have to admit, I've never tested it. I think I will be though.
    If nothing else it will increase the size a smidge and lubricate the barrel. Both of which I think would be good for my rifles.

    Would be interesting to hear what anyone else comes up with.
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