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Thread: 135 grain HP boolit to mimic the Speer 135 grain Gold Dot Short Barrel boolit

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    135 grain HP boolit to mimic the Speer 135 grain Gold Dot Short Barrel boolit

    I carry a scandium .357 for CCW. The boolits I carry are the speer GD short barrel .357 and the speer .38 GD short barrel. Both rounds carry a 135 grain HP boolit. I'd like to have a mould made that can duplicate a 135 grain HP boolit load. The boolit would need to have a wide and deep lube groove below the crimp groove as firing these at 1000 fps, the wide lube groove would carry enough lube to help prevent leading in these higher velocity practice rounds. A round nose flat point configuration that contains the hollow point would be perfect!!! This boolit can look like most of the 158 grain .357 HP boolits being cut by NOE only I need a boolit that drops at 135 grains. Is there any interest from the list members about having a boolit like this be submitted to NOE or MIHA to be made ?? Any boolit Honcho's would like to chime in please ??
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    If there is enough interest I could draft this and set up the buy.
    Only thing I would need is a couple bullets so I can get some measurement.

    Let me know
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    I have a some from a 6 banger mould that lee made a few years ago. The lube grooves were designed for a tumble lube design and that is really bad. The lube groove needs to be like on a normal bullet wider and deeper. I can send you some of these boolits if you PM me your mailing address.
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    If it works in .357 SIG, I’ll be interested. My Lyman manual says no Lyman mold cast boolits fit the SIG, but I’ve loaded with a cast bullet from Hunter’s Supply.

    Can we get a hi-tek option?

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    Got the samples from Ohio Rusty and working on the mods needed.

    What are your thoughts on this one??
    HP version drops 5 grains to 130
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    Ohio Rusty and Wasalmonslayer, this looks like a great project to me. The Speer formula of modest expansion and good penetration at about 1,000 fps with 135 gr bullet seems very good for my 2 1/2" .357 snubbies. I'd really like to try it. I like the draft as shown, but have these suggestions:
    -HP weight should be no less than 135 gr with a medium alloy like 1:1 COWW:SOWW. We can already get 130 gr with molds already available like MP-125. Accidentally getting 140 gr would be fine with me, but I don't really want to pay for a new mold and get 130 gr, which I already have.
    -I like a step down from shoulder to beginning of ogive of .001-.005" for clean lubesizing
    -Speer expands to only .55", and so gives good penetration even at only 135 grains. I'm not sure what cavity specs we can use to not have this bullet expand to .65" or .70" and not penetrate. If possible, three HP pin sets should be included: standard round as shown in draft, larger penta, smaller penta. I'm guessing that at 1000 fps, the small penta will give us the controlled expansion desired.
    Thanks for reading my suggestions, which are worth what you paid for them!
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    Going to add a gas check version as quick as I can draft it up sorry for not doing that first!

    I think this hp with the right alloy will allow good expansion without just blowing the whole nose off.
    We could shrink it a little bit more too just for good measure and I believe expansion will still be real good.

    Thanks
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    We can inch up the weight by making the bullet a touch longer too easy peasy just keep the thoughts rolling and we can make mods to as needed to hit the ideal bullet once everyone weights in.

    I like the idea of a little heavier around 140 solid 135 hp.
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    Wasalmonslater ... the 140 solid and 135 grain HP is a great idea. I like that option as there is load dats in the Lyman cast boolit manual for the 140 grain boolit. The 135 grain would be the boolit size I would shoot most of the time. Thanks for the great specs you posted. Looks great !!
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    Do you guys want a crimp groove or not?
    I’ll draft a 140 grain and see what it looks like.

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    I like the 135/140 GC idea with a crimp groove. Don't know if NOE does penta pins. Those have the most distinct peddle expansion more like the gold dot but Mehi is taking so long to run the buys that is a draw back. I'm in no matter which way it goes.
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    I will chat with Miha and see what he thinks for timing once the design is final.
    NOE does not offer penta so MP is the route we will go.

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    Here it is stretched to 140 grains as a plain base made of ww + 2% tin.
    It will be 135 gr as a gas check HP and 136 gr as a plain base HP

    THOUGHTS??

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    Looks good to me.!
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    That is a beautiful boolit you drafted WAsalmonslayer - 140 solid, 135 gr HPGC with a crimp groove ..... PERFECT !!!! Thanks so much for doing the specs and picture. I'm ready to buy this mould when available .... This may be one of the best snubbie boolits we can cast ...
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    If it is an MP mold I’d buy that . 135 HP would be great in a couple or 3 different cases .

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    Excellent idea from the OP, and a great looking drawing.

    I'm in for this.
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    If you guys are happy I can start a group buy.

    Please let me know.

    Thanks
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    I would be part of a group buy for this mold.

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    We all know that the 135 GD is more than just a 135 grain slug;
    there is technology that we can't easily incorporate into a cast boolit.

    But I have some of them, and I'm thinking I should try to cut one in half tomorrow
    and see if there is anything we can learn from the shape of the cavity...
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