30 carbine and hunting deer?

[richhodg66]

Probably wasn't legal even then, but I knew quite a few people who killed them pretty regularly with .22 rifles and didn't feel under gunned while I was growing up in the deep south. Tree stands at woods ranges, especially when the targeted deer is completely unaware of the hunter's presence is a big difference from jump shooting one with its adrenaline up.

[Jedman]

I have never killed a deer with a 30 carbine but I have with a 38 spl. and others that I feel that are less powerful.
I have killed quite a few deer and antelope with Barnes all copper bullets and if you can find them those Cor Bon DPX 30 carbine loads with Barnes bullets would be my choice for behind the shoulder heart or lung shots.

Jedman

[M-Tecs]

One of my dads friends was seriously injured and partially paralyzed in a work accident. After that his Pre 64 270 was to much for him so he started using his 30 Carbine. I know he killed over 20 Whitetail bucks with it. Some of them field dressed at over 200 pounds. I don't believe he lost any. I borrowed that rifle for the one on only deer I took with a 30 Carbine. It was a medium size whitetail buck with one shot to the lungs.

[Lloyd Smale]

wonder how many japs germans and koreans that crossed the bar are laughing at people claiming a m1 carbine wont kill a 100 lb deer.

[richhodg66]

wonder how many japs germans and koreans that crossed the bar are laughing at people claiming a m1 carbine wont kill a 100 lb deer.

Agreed, and I always had my doubts about the stories of them not penetrating the heavy Winter clothes Chinese troops wore in Korea.

I wish I could find the reference now but I remember reading years ago that after the war in interviews with German troops that of all the weapons Americans had, the only one they would have preferred over their own was the M1 Carbine. Kind of suprised me because the Garand and 1911 were clearly better combat weapons than what they had, but they really liked the Carbine, probably because of relatively high capacity and rate of fire.

[PositiveCaster]

wonder how many japs germans and koreans that crossed the bar are laughing at people claiming a m1 carbine wont kill a 100 lb deer.

None I wager. Killing a deer and killing an enemy combatant are two different tasks. We want to kill deer humanely and quickly so we can harvest the meat. While an instant kill of an enemy combatant is nice, as long as they eventually die the shot was still a success. And remember that wounding counts in combat, not so much in hunting. Apples and oranges...



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[Texas by God]

In his memoirs Lt. Col. John George stated that his #1 choice of all the weapons he used in combat- was the M1Carbine.
I would hunt anything that I would hunt with a bow and arrow with a .30 Carbine confidently. Don’t shoot unless you have a good shot. Simple.

[Larry Gibson]

None I wager. Killing a deer and killing an enemy combatant are two different tasks. We want to kill deer humanely and quickly so we can harvest the meat. While an instant kill of an enemy combatant is nice, as long as they eventually die the shot was still a success. And remember that wounding counts in combat, not so much in hunting. Apples and oranges...



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Have to disagree.

To quote Sir Brian Harrocks;

"I have always regarded the forward edge of the battlefield as the most exclusive club in the world."

As a member of that "most exclusive club" I learned the mission of an infantryman is to "close with and kill the enemy". No mention of "wound" the enemy in that statement. If you have won the battle, engagement, fire fight, etc. then your immediate concern is to consolidate your position, prepare for a counterattack and then care for the wounded. If you have enemy wounded then they take up personnel and resources to care for them and to guard them. In that "most exclusive" clubhouse you may not have that ability and to do so may mean you are not prepared for the counter attack. Never was I, nor did I ever train any soldier, either my own or those being trained told to shoot to wound. Sometimes some barracks BS artist would come up with the old garbage about how many of the enemy it takes to carry off their wounded. Anyone who is a member of that "most exclusive" club with tell you that is BS simply because if the enemy has the where with all to use 2 - 4 soldiers to carry off their wounded you have lost the battle and are probably dead. Any enemy combatant wounded but not dead is still capable of killing you or your comrades. Additionally in todays prolonged asymmetric warfare if you wound an enemy combatant you may very well meet them again in combat......not good and something I never cared to do nor did any of the Soldiers i served with.

In the big picture with REMF officers commanding from air conditioned vehicles or bunkers I suppose a wounded enemy may "count" for something. However, to those who belong to that "most exclusive club" wounding an enemy combatant means absolutely nothing. Yes, I know that may hurt someone's self esteem or gender preference but in combat I never cared, would care and still don't.

When I hunted something with the M1 Carbine, either 4 or 2 legged I intended to kill it. Actually the one I used to hunt 2 legged DG was an M2 carbine but I never "flipped" it to rock and roll when "hunting" as I've a pretty quick trigger finger......

The 30 carbine will kill deer efficiently within it's limitations.....just as any other cartridge will within it's limitation.

[Beaverhunter2]

As always- very well said, Larry!

My buddy and I were discussing this the other day. If you think a .357 magnum can be used to hunt deer, then a 30 Carbine should also be acceptable. It has the same energy at 100yds as a 158gr .357 does at muzzle.

[Beaverhunter2]

Rightly or wrongly, there's some states that don't consider it energetic enough for deer. Michigan was one as I recall.

.30 Carbine is legal in Michigan north of the restricted firearms line- any centerfire is including .223 (or 17 Hornet for that matter). It's only south of the line they need to be 35 caliber or larger. Read the regs closely. Goofy, isn't it?

John

[NWPilgrim]

.30 Carbine is legal in Michigan north of the restricted firearms line- any centerfire is including .223 (or 17 Hornet for that matter). It's only south of the line they need to be 35 caliber or larger. Read the regs closely. Goofy, isn't it?

John

What? .35 or greater south of the line? Never heard of such a limit. What are the popular calibers there? .35 Whelen? .45-70? That seems an odd limit. Do you know the reasoning behind that?

Learned something new today!

[Lloyd Smale]

None I wager. Killing a deer and killing an enemy combatant are two different tasks. We want to kill deer humanely and quickly so we can harvest the meat. While an instant kill of an enemy combatant is nice, as long as they eventually die the shot was still a success. And remember that wounding counts in combat, not so much in hunting. Apples and oranges...



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still got to hit them right no matter what your using be they man or animal. My uncle was a gunny in the infantry in ww2. He talks about his men being pinned down by a sniper that was in a tree. He said when they shot at him he was hit 3 times (found out later) by m1 garands and was still shooting and killed one more of his men and wounded another. He shot him once in the heat with his m1 carbine and ended it. Now to be honest he didnt have alot of praise for the m1 carbine. He said it just wasnt as reliable as a garand. Or his weapon of choice the thompson. He said many Japs wouldnt stop fighting till there heart stopped. There wasnt an once of bs in him. He had 3 purple hearts and a bronze star for a resume. But the old adage of wounding being better then killing might work in trench warfare but in the jungles or today when faced with drugged up terrorists you want there trigger finger deader then H.

[Lloyd Smale]

.30 Carbine is legal in Michigan north of the restricted firearms line- any centerfire is including .223 (or 17 Hornet for that matter). It's only south of the line they need to be 35 caliber or larger. Read the regs closely. Goofy, isn't it?

John

never could figure that hyprocacy out. Up here you cant see 50 yards when 1/2 the hunters hunt but they will allow you a 300 ultra mag if you want one. Down there you can see clearly accross a field for 500 yards with scope and they want you to use a shotgun! Id think if an accidental shoot were to occour it would be more likely be a man mistaken as a deer by some dumb you know what at a 100 yards sneeking through the trees. Not a guy with orange on at 200 yards in a field. Then in the last 10 years or so theyve come out with rounds that are more then capable at 300 yards. Heck theres shotguns and muzzle loaders that will do that today. Add to that probably 75 percent of hunters in michigan faced with longer then 300 yard shot might as well throw rocks. Probably half them at 200 yards. I know hunters up here that have hunted 50 years that have never shot a deer at a 100 yards. They can make the excuse that its more populated and your more likely to be shooting at someones house. Dont know about there but it can happen here too and there is probably more houses and camps tucked into the woods hard to see. Then add to that the northern half of lower michigan really isnt that much more populated then up here. Its just another form of gun control.

[Lloyd Smale]

Have to disagree.

To quote Sir Brian Harrocks;

"I have always regarded the forward edge of the battlefield as the most exclusive club in the world."

As a member of that "most exclusive club" I learned the mission of an infantryman is to "close with and kill the enemy". No mention of "wound" the enemy in that statement. If you have won the battle, engagement, fire fight, etc. then your immediate concern is to consolidate your position, prepare for a counterattack and then care for the wounded. If you have enemy wounded then they take up personnel and resources to care for them and to guard them. In that "most exclusive" clubhouse you may not have that ability and to do so may mean you are not prepared for the counter attack. Never was I, nor did I ever train any soldier, either my own or those being trained told to shoot to wound. Sometimes some barracks BS artist would come up with the old garbage about how many of the enemy it takes to carry off their wounded. Anyone who is a member of that "most exclusive" club with tell you that is BS simply because if the enemy has the where with all to use 2 - 4 soldiers to carry off their wounded you have lost the battle and are probably dead. Any enemy combatant wounded but not dead is still capable of killing you or your comrades. Additionally in todays prolonged asymmetric warfare if you wound an enemy combatant you may very well meet them again in combat......not good and something I never cared to do nor did any of the Soldiers i served with.

In the big picture with REMF officers commanding from air conditioned vehicles or bunkers I suppose a wounded enemy may "count" for something. However, to those who belong to that "most exclusive club" wounding an enemy combatant means absolutely nothing. Yes, I know that may hurt someone's self esteem or gender preference but in combat I never cared, would care and still don't.

When I hunted something with the M1 Carbine, either 4 or 2 legged I intended to kill it. Actually the one I used to hunt 2 legged DG was an M2 carbine but I never "flipped" it to rock and roll when "hunting" as I've a pretty quick trigger finger......

The 30 carbine will kill deer efficiently within it's limitations.....just as any other cartridge will within it's limitation.

well said larry. the only good enemy combatant is a dead one.

[smkummer]

I am not adding anything new here but Winchester originally advertised the 32-20 as a deer cartridge. While they don’t do that anymore, the 30 carbine has about twice the energy. Many cast bullets will work for both 32-20 and sized properly work in the 30 carbine.
I remember a story from N. Dakota deer hunting. Sometimes hunters wanted a deer no matter what so they would hunt to fill tags, even though I believe that was illegal. Anyway, a group of 4 hunters went hunting with the hunter carrying a 30 carbine first to come upon a herd of deer at close enough range. I don’t know how many shots ( he was limited to a 8 round mag.) but killed 4 deer very soon after the season opened. Most ND deer are well fed and of good size. The rest of the story was the other hunters were a little upset that they barely started the season and it was over.
Another current ND hunter swears by his Remington 222 as a deer killer. I cringe at using a 50 grain 222 bullet.

[Rcmaveric]

None I wager. Killing a deer and killing an enemy combatant are two different tasks. We want to kill deer humanely and quickly so we can harvest the meat. While an instant kill of an enemy combatant is nice, as long as they eventually die the shot was still a success. And remember that wounding counts in combat, not so much in hunting. Apples and oranges...



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Wounding doesn't count in combat. I was trained to remove the threat and keep shooting until the threat is gone. Wounded men fight just as hard as none wounded. How many purple heart rewardies does the US have because they kept shooting until the bitter end?

Killing a man or killing a deer, takes about the same amount of gun and 12 inches of penetration. Deer don't fight back though, or atleast don't shoot back.

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[rondog]

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Cor
rondog, have you shot any critters with that ammo, reason I ask, last year at a gun show, guy was selling it for like $4.00 a box, so I ended up with a bunch of it, could not believe it was that cheap. have not gotten around to shooting any yet. wondering how it will work out.
Barry

I have not, I'm not fortunate enough to have the health to go hunting anymore or a place to go. But the slug I pictured is one I shot into water jugs, flat ruined them jugs!

[panhed65]

rondog, thanks for the answer, I have been wondering since I bought them just why he was selling them so cheap. looks from your picture they expand well. guess I will soon try some out if I ever get done shoveling snow.
Barry

[kingrj]

No matter what anyone tells you...a deer shot with a 30 carbine softpoint in the lungs will die and go in your freezer as well as one shot with a .458 winchester....Not my first choice but with a well placed shot it will bring home the meat..

[444ttd]

its not my first choice either, but dad wants to do it.