? for you .35er's

[2muchstuf]

I know most of you load for Marlins and Contenders.
Anybody load for the mod. 14?
Santa came early with .35 Rem dies and a Lee lead hardness tester( a whole other thread).
Lyman Cast, Ly. 47th, Lee, not been much help for load data. Search turned up next to nill, so I throw myself on the mercy of this highly intellegent board.

Mod 14 Rem. , corn sheller we call um, 1/16 twist, slugs at .357 on the money, min o pie plate at 50 yds with Js. I think we can do better!!!

Gonna start with 158s sized to .358(cause thats what I got), Lee is the only listing with Reloader 7.....I don't have it.

What else can I use? Got a few: 4320, 4350, 3031, 4198, 4227, H322, clays, w748, red dot, 2400, unique, and bullseye. I know some of these aren't appropriate but my search turned up info on 322 so I added them all.

What do you guys do?

As always, thanks in advance.
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[Hipshot]

I use 16.7 grains of 2400 in a few different calibers---.30-30, .30-06, .35 Rem., and .358 Win with cast bullets and it shoots great. Depending on the gun I get groups as small as 1/2 " at 50 yds. Velocity should be around 1500-1600 fps.

Hipshot

[clodhopper]

Lyman 41st edition lists three loads for .35 remingtom with 155 grain plain base cast bullets.
2400 starting loads 15.0 grain with 1600 fps
Max 22 grain 1950 fps
4759 starting 15 grains 1600 fps
Max not listed
Unique starting 10.0 grains 1500 fps
Max not listed
This book was published 51 years ago. Check other sources!
I do not reccomend these loads, use your own discretion!

[quack1]

I load for a Mod 14. I tried several weights of swc pistol boolets and could not get any of them to feed. You pretty much need a round nose to feed reliably, and have to watch the OAL, also. I use Lyman 358430, 196 gr with wheel weights and sized .359. My gun seems to shoot the best with 3031,4227 and 2400 powders.
Here is some data from several old Lyman books for 150-155gr boolets using powders you have:
4227 Start 16gr; max 26gr
2400 Start 14gr; max 21gr
Unique start 9.5gr; max 12.5gr
Red dot start 8.5gr; max 11gr
These should give you a start.
I like my Mod 14, nice balance, points like a shotgun and .35 Rem is a great cast boolet cartridge. Just be careful, keep loads on the mild side, 14's are old guns with only 1 small locking lug at the rear of the bolt. I have killed a couple of deer with that 196 gr boolet only going about 1600 fps

[35remington]

Absolutely PASS on all data that tries to heave plainbase bullets at high speeds. Generally, you're best off keeping them in the 1100-1500 fps bracket, and for me, best accuracy with plainbase is obtained with around 1100 fps with pistol/shotgun powders and from 12-1400 fps with powders like 2400, 4227, and 4759.

Quack listed some helpful load suggestions, but accuracy will disappear long before you get to his top listed charges with each powder type using plainbase bullets. I predict that best accuracy with Red Dot and Unique will be found at charge weights below his listed starting charges.

Fast powders really don't require a filler.

Slower powders will prove to be position sensitive, usually, so I use dacron with them to position the charge.

Sticking to plainbase, my vote goes to 2400 or 4227. 4198 is also usable but better at 13-1500 fps as it's rather dirty burning, and such loads start to get below its preferred pressures at very much lower speeds. Ideally, all three with dacron IMO.

With plainbase bullets, 4350, 4320 and 3031 are likely to prove too slow. H322 is extremely position sensitive in small charges and likely too slow for plainbase velocities as well. I cannot see what these last four would do with plainbase that 2400 and 4227 couldn't do better.

Unique, Red Dot and others are also good candidates and save some money with lower charge weights. Keep velocities moderate with them.

[2muchstuf]

I think I got , so far: 2400 & 4227 might be the place to start pushing my Ly. 358156 GC from WQ WW (weigh in at 161.5 give or take .2) to about 1500 or 1600 .
That should do nicely.
This gun is a nice piece and is certainly a keeper, wouldn't want to blow it up. What would high end velocity be to be to stay on the really safe side.I know it's no mouser.
With 1in 16 twist, what would be the best boolit IYHO be to use? (could be another mold in it for me)

Thanks guys for all your help. I could do this without you, but it would be really really and I mean REALLY hard.


Could use more info on unique and red dot, I can just feel it's out there.
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[2muchstuf]

By the way: MERRY CHRISTMAS , now get to bed, santa wants to come to your house too.

[NHlever]

I would give 8-10 grains of Unique a try with that 158 boolit, especially if it is a plain base.. Should find a quiet, and accurate load somewhere in there.

[quack1]

I agree with 35rem. With pb boolets you will not be able to get the upper velocities in the data I put in my first post. You did not say if your 158's were plain or gas checked so I just gave you the data as Lyman printed it. I was only able to keep reasonable accuracy below 1500fps with plain base On the other hand, I turned a gas check shank on some of the 358430's and was able to get a little over 1900 fps (same as jacketed Hornady rn's) with the gas check. Accuracy was the same as with the jacketed Hornadys, around 2-2 1/2" at 100 yds, off a bench with peep sight.

[crazy mark]

So far I'm running my same loads for my 336 in my "new 14". That said, they are all 200gr +. When the weather gets better I'n going to try some 150- 180 gr loads. I've only put 10 down range so far before the cold weather and snow hit. Mark

[atr]

Ive got some loads for .35 Remington from a old "Ideal" (circa.1955) and from a old "Lyman" (circa. 1958) manuals......let me know how to email you and I can send them as a PDF

[2muchstuf]

Thanks loads for all the info, this will give me lots of starting places.
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[Newtire]

I get about 1550 fps with the RanchDog gaschecked bullet and 12.5 gr. Unique. I get 2220 fps with 38 gr. H335. This is out of a 24" barreled Marlin.

I used the same 12.5 gr. Unique load with a 185 gr. Round Nose Lee bullet from the Surplus page. It is a plain base and got around 2" @ 50 yds. Same 1550 fps. Kind of surprised me.

Heat treated wheelweights(water dropped as always)and Felix Lube. Good loads.

[Lloyd Smale]

I like 8 grains of unique its just as quiet if not quieter then a 22, its allways been accurate and it makes a great small game load.

[lathesmith]

If it were my old gun, I'd give 7-8 grains of Red Dot a try, topped with a 358430. Mind you, I'm not telling YOU to do this, but like I said, IF it were my beautiful old gun...
There are several good suggestions here, with 35remington's post being the most comprehensive. I'd heed his advice, sounds like he has considerable experience with this caliber(imagine that!) and my guess is his suggestions will save you a lot of time and trouble.
lathesmith