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    Quote Originally Posted by farmbif View Post
    I hate to say it but as far as outdoor life and most all or I guess all the gun magazines have had editorial content compromised over the years because they are so dependent on advertising dollars. it used to be magazines made a substantial amount from paid subscriptions but I feel over the years things have changed and articles are written to promote products and companies and boost advertising revenue. I may be all wrong but that's they just the way I see it.
    Yep. There is a clear correlation in American Riflemen between which gun manufacturer has the biggest and most expensive ads, and who gets a glowing review of their firearm in the next issue.

    I can't remember what pistol it was, but it was made by a regular big advertiser. I think it was Kimber. Anyway, in the article, the writer stated it was the most accurate carry gun he's ever seen and when I looked at the accuracy results, they were indeed impressive with groups from just over an inch to an inch and a half. THen I realized instead of the normal 25 yard test, they moved in to 10 yards. What a joke! I don't own any pistols that can't do around an inch at ten yards with a rest.

    That and the lavish spending and lifestyles of the NRA folks and I pretty much lost most respect for them.
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    As for Remington, if they're going to build sporting arms with plastic stocks, rifles without iron sights, and follow the crowd they can sink as far as I'm concerned. I won't miss them at all.

    Ruger could do good things with the Marlin brand, and I hope they do. I'm not hopeful about it though. Seems Ruger has a history of bringing out some fantastic guns, true classics, like the No.1, M-77, Red Label, Security Six series, and others, they build a following, the guns become classics, then they drop them for something of much lesser quality, (the ''American'' series rifles come to mind here and the shotguns have simply gone away). Too expensive to continue production? Okay, make a cheap chinchy gun for the once a year hunters, but keep the classics in at least limited production, please. I kinda see the same future for the Marlin brand under Ruger. I'm holding on to a sliver of hope for now, buy given Ruger's history, I have my doubts it will last long.

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    Ithaca Ginnarwhy do you not like polymer stocks? They don't warp or swell in wet damp environments and can be made to very exacting tolerances. The bonus it they usually sell for less than the wooden variation in the same model.

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    It's the cheap plastic look and feel. I miss genuine walnut and polished blue steel, with iron sights. The plastics and stainless have their places, I have a Remington 700 SA with a Hart SS #7 barrel in a aluminum skeleton stock with a solid kevlar outer and that's fine. I don't mind some of the laminated stocks if kept to a more traditional shape, but these are higher end products. The stuff most gun companies put out are hollow and every twig or briar they come in contact with amplifies the sound X20, and they just look horrible. They're a cost cutting measure to sell cheap guns. The Summit Technologies aluminum and kevlar stock I put on my 700 cost more than a nice walnut stock, but it's silent, stable, and done right, not a cheap throw on by any means.

    Maybe I should say I hate cheap plastic stocks that come on most factory rifles. Or at least give me a choice of a walnut stock and iron sights, I'll pay the difference.

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    I've had a vintage 700's wood stock war on me to where the stock was pressing hard on the barrel, so that tack driver suddenly was stringing groups in a line, left and right. I like the look of good wood, sure, but I require that the stock help the rifle shoot MORE accurately, not cause it to become a 1D shotgun! Might put a Boyd's stock on it, maybe something else. Needs fixed better than just hogging out the wood till it quits pressing on the side of the barrel!

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    IMO, the only way to be pleased with Remington firearms is buy the old quality used ones. Have a 3 inch 1100 … wouldn’t trade or sell
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Boy View Post
    IMO, the only way to be pleased with Remington firearms is buy the old quality used ones. Have a 3 inch 1100 … wouldn’t trade or sell
    You got that right, those 721's, 725's, 30s, 121s, 37's, 500 series of .22's, and a lot of shotguns. Beautiful machining and bluing, great stocks, designed to last several life times and built for it too. Those days are gone I suppose, there's a few of us that appreciate them though and hold them in the same regard as Winchester's old Model 70.

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    We got a new 700 ADL in at the shop and I'm impressed with it, looks to be very well made. I really hope Remington can get things turned around, they certainly have the ability to make good guns again.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF.

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    Gun Talk radio has a you tube video up, https://youtu.be/X_AHFat3yqE where they talk with Chris Killoy of Ruger. Mr. Killoy states Ruger will begin shipping Marlin lever guns about the middle of December this year. He says the Model 1895 in .45Gov't and .444 Marlin will be the first to ship, followed by the 336, then the 1894 in .357 and .44 Magnum. The 336 and 1894 will probably ship next year.

    Barrels will be Ruger cold hammer forged, no Micro groove or Ballard rifling according to Killoy. He did say the barrels would be cast boolit friendly and they're having good accuracy with them.

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    My local Bimart (Pacific Northwest department store chain) had a new 870 Express in stock, so I bought it, as I didn't have a 12 gauge 870 in the stockpile. I paid $370 before tax. Yes, I know that $370 would have bought an engraved 870 with magnificent wood in 1972, but now we have $4 a gallon gasoline and $5 a pound hamburger. Let's Go Brandon! I didn't like the 1970s the first time I lived through them, but I digress.

    It came with a "hardwood" stock, which is straight-grained under the satin stain. No glossy "bowling pin" finish (a la 1972) on this one. Wood to metal fit at the receiver is adequate, barely proud in some spots, barely scant in others. The stock has some nicely done machine-cut checkering panels on it, which beats the heck out of the stamped "checkering" we used to get. Trigger guard is plastic, excuse me, highly engineered polymer. Barrel is 28 inches, vent ribbed, with a single brass bead, and came with only one Modified Rem-Choke tube. Oddly enough, the barrel is stamped "****12GA. 2 3/4" AND 3"*** 3 1/2" ONLY WITH SUPER MAG RECEIVER" so maybe there is a 3 1/2" chamber lurking in there. Metal finish is an even bead-blasted black matte, quite utilitarian, which I won't dignify by calling it bluing.

    First impressions: This puppy is heavy! It weighs in at 8 lbs even on my kitchen scale. Quality is quite acceptable, perhaps even better than the Express models that were churned out by late-stage Remington. If something should break on it (which would be like breaking a crowbar) I can get parts without having them shipped in from Turkey or (shudder) China. I don't know if these new 870s will keep RemArms afloat, but at least they won't sink it.
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    The few new Remingtons that have come through our shop appear to be no worse than their equivalents from the earlier incarnations of the company. The 700 ADL in particular impressed me, everything about it is clearly a step up from the other plastic bolt actions on the shelf such as Savage Axis, TC Compass, Mossy MVP, and so on. The stock feels way more solid and doesn't have a yawning gutter for a barrel channel, metal finish seems thick and evenly applied, metal edges are neatly rounded off. I really hope Remmy can be successful.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF.

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    Marlin News: https://www.guns.com/news/2021/10/22...t-marlin-rifle

    First new Ruglin/Marler comes off the line, a big loop 1895 in stainless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithaca Gunner View Post

    Maybe I should say I hate cheap plastic stocks that come on most factory rifles. Or at least give me a choice of a walnut stock and iron sights, I'll pay the difference.

    same here!!!!!!

    i have only two remmies, a rem early m7 in 7-08 and a rem m14 in 30 remington. i used to be remmy guy, i had m700 in a,b and cdl and mountain rifles in the '06, 243, 270 and others and a m760 in 308(the most unluckiest rifle EVER!!!!!). i liked the bdl but unfortunately they got sold in my divorce.



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    Way to go Ruger! Keep 'em coming.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF.

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