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Thread: 38 SPL +P+ or 38/44 Loads with 170 gr Cast Bullets & 2400

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    Larry,
    Thank you so much for conducting and posting this testing, there really is no replacement for meticulously collected data.
    I'm a big fan of data-driven decisions. You want to make me smile, show me a spreadsheet! Extra points for graphs and best-fit predictive equations.

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    I used to load the 358156 and 2400 in 38 Special cases for my Magnum revolvers. Then, I sold them. A couple years ago a 38/44 HD came to me. What a hoot shooting those loads the way they were intended to be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
    …Saeco #348 146DEWC 8.9 grs.#2400___922 fps,12 Sd___________1005fps, 34 Sd
    Outpost,

    What alloy for that dewc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrawHat View Post
    Outpost,

    What alloy for that dewc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Purcell View Post
    Think this week I may break out my "Transition" 38/44 Outdoorsman and load up the Lyman/Keith 160 grain hollowpoint cast 1-16 over 6 grs. Unique and 11 grs. 2400 and see what happens. I've had this one for 41 years and it has been mostly shot with Elmer's 13.5 grs. of 2400 with this bullet.
    For what it's worth, I believe that I have found a fine load using this bullet and powder combination. I have been trying to come up with a load equivalent to the old .38/44 factory one which is quoted in sources as being about 1100 fps, although my efforts using Unique powder have given less velocity than this and using 2400 powder have been higher velocity (even at recommended starting loads). My revolver is a 5" HD, my bullet 1:16 alloy, my mold a Lyman 358439 HP, sized to .357". The most consistent load for me has been 6.0 grains of Unique which has shown about 1010 fps and the lowest standard velocity variation. It also shoots very accurately. Lower and higher amounts of this powder had higher SD and worse accuracy in my shooting, and sizing to .358 also worse. So for me in my revolver I will be using the 6.0 of Unique load even though the velocity is not up to the published factory .38/44 velocity. I think it will be close enough. Obviously don't use this loading in any revolver except the no-longer-made S&W Heavy Duty or Outdoorsman or similarly extra-strong revolvers.

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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check